From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
linux-raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
567468@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question.
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:06:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <873a0t4ume.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100221171445.GB17267@lapse.rw.madduck.net> (martin f. krafft's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:14:45 +0100")
martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> writes:
> also sprach Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz> [2010.02.19.0351 +0100]:
>> But if a generated 'system uuid' value (I just suggested the root fs
>> UUID because it would be highly unlikely to be unchanged, and nobody
>> would be likely to fiddle with it) was copied into a file
>> called /etc/system_uuid and copied into the initrd, then we could add
>> put into mdadms hook script in initramfs-tools, to verify and update the
>> homehost variable in the boot time required raid volumes when ever a new
>> initrd is installed. (This generally happens on debian whenever a
>> kernel is installed and mdadm is installed or upgraded.
>
> Neil's point is that no such value exists. The root filesystem UUID
> is not available when the array is created. And updating the
> homehost in the RAID metadata at boot time would defeat the purpose
> of homehost in the first place.
>
>> As an added protection we could include checks in mdadm shutdown
>> script a check that warns when mdadm.conf doesn't exist and the
>> /etc/system_uuid doesn't match the homehost value in the boottime
>> assembled raid volumes. If we did use the root filesystem UUID
>> for this, we could compare that as well.
>
> Debian has no policy for this. There is no way to warn a user and
> interrupt the shutdown process.
>
>> It would be useful to have a tool similar to /bin/hostname that
>> could be used to create|read|verify|update the system uuid, which
>> would update all the relevant locations which store and check
>> against this system uuid.
>
> Yes, it would be useful to have a system UUID that could be
> generated by the installer and henceforth written to the newly
> installed system. This is probably something the LSB should push.
> But you could also bring it up for discussion on debian-devel.
How would that work with network boot where the initrd would have to
work for multiple hosts?
MfG
Goswin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-22 7:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-14 1:51 Linux mdadm superblock question Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 4:02 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 7:21 ` david
2010-02-14 8:38 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 18:40 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:53 ` John Robinson
2010-02-14 21:16 ` Gabor Gombas
[not found] ` <201002142013.24922.volkerarmin@googlemail.com>
2010-02-16 14:28 ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 14:37 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 14:46 ` Robin Hill
2010-02-16 17:23 ` John Robinson
2010-02-16 19:38 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-16 17:18 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-02-16 21:06 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 22:00 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-16 22:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 14:25 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-18 9:27 ` Ian Dall
2010-02-17 1:03 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2010-02-17 2:01 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17 2:38 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 23:15 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-17 6:34 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 9:38 ` Rudy Zijlstra
2010-02-17 13:26 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-17 20:54 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-17 21:29 ` Frans Pop
2010-02-18 3:40 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-17 16:22 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-02-17 17:41 ` david
2010-02-17 18:10 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:27 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 18:37 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 18:41 ` david
2010-02-17 18:51 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 21:17 ` david
2010-02-17 21:37 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-17 22:21 ` david
2010-02-17 22:29 ` boot times, not mdadm (was: Linux mdadm superblock question.) martin f krafft
2010-02-17 23:24 ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Neil Brown
2010-02-17 23:50 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 2:58 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-18 3:26 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 4:03 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18 4:40 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 5:10 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-18 5:21 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-18 5:34 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-19 0:42 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-19 2:51 ` Daniel Reurich
[not found] ` <20100221171445.GB17267@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
2010-02-22 7:06 ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2010-02-22 7:37 ` Bug#567468: " Michael Evans
2010-02-22 9:14 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 9:11 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-22 10:42 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-19 9:16 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
[not found] ` <20100221174007.GB19058@lapse.rw.madduck.net>
[not found] ` <20100221201304.GB2570@lazy.lzy>
2010-02-22 9:16 ` Bug#567468: md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question martin f krafft
2010-02-22 11:11 ` Daniel Reurich
2010-02-23 7:29 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23 8:10 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23 2:30 ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-23 6:27 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-23 7:31 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-23 8:16 ` Bug#567468: " martin f krafft
2010-02-24 13:13 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 17:52 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-24 22:23 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-23 8:18 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2010-02-24 0:10 ` md homehost (was: Bug#567468: (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock) question Neil Brown
2010-02-24 4:12 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-24 13:41 ` md homehost Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-24 22:30 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25 7:16 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-25 7:46 ` Neil Brown
2010-02-25 8:33 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-25 11:55 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2010-02-18 5:17 ` (boot time consequences of) Linux mdadm superblock question Daniel Reurich
2010-02-18 5:22 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-17 18:46 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 22:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-18 3:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2010-02-18 7:51 ` Luca Berra
2010-02-18 14:12 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-19 9:04 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 19:34 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:07 ` Michael Evans
2010-02-14 21:14 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 20:47 ` Asdo
2010-02-14 21:26 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2010-02-14 21:28 ` Gabor Gombas
2010-02-15 9:08 ` martin f krafft
2010-02-15 7:51 ` Luca Berra
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