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From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
	Guy Watkins <linux-raid@watkins-home.com>,
	'Piergiorgio Sartor' <piergiorgio.sartor@nexgo.de>,
	'Peter Rabbitson' <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford@redhat.com>,
	'Michael Evans' <mjevans1983@gmail.com>,
	'Eyal Lebedinsky' <eyal@eyal.emu.id.au>,
	'linux-raid list' <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: mismatch_cnt again
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:40:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87639ayl27.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091116163527.36454acc@notabene.brown> (Neil Brown's message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:35:27 +1100")

Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:21:03 +0100
> Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:
>> 
>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:29:17 -0500
>> > "Guy Watkins" <linux-raid@watkins-home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been following this issue some, and I think this could be a
>> >> cause for silent corruption on RAID5 and RAID6.  I don't think this
>> >> has been mentioned, if so, sorry.
>> >
>> > RAID1/RAID10 are very different from RAID5/RAID6
>> >
>> > RAID1/RAID10 can get 'mismatches' due to the particular behaviour
>> > of swap or filesystems.  However this doesn't matter (the blocks
>> > that are inconsistent are of no interest to the filesystem).
>> >
>> > RAID5/RAID6 is careful not to allow any mismatches to creep in
>> > due to any particular filesystem or swap activity.  This is because,
>> > as you say, those mismatches could be significant to the RAID
>> > algorithm even though they might be of no interest to the
>> > filesystem.
>> >
>> > mismatches can only occur in a RAID5/RAID6 due to a software bug
>> > in the md/raid code, or due to 'hardware errors' (including of
>> > course drive firmware errors etc).
>> >
>> > NeilBrown
>> 
>> Does that mean raid4/5/6 always coppies the data or that it protects
>> it with the MMU?
>
> Always copies.  Given that it has to access the data to calculate the
> XOR, the extra overhead of copying it is less than RAID1.
> Where hardware XOR support, hardware copy support is normally also
> available, and that is used.

In cases where you have XOR but not copy wouldn't you XOR against a
zero filled page to copy?

MfG
        Goswin

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-16  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-07  0:41 mismatch_cnt again Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07  1:53 ` berk walker
2009-11-07  7:49   ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07  8:08     ` Michael Evans
2009-11-07  8:42       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 13:51       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-07 14:58         ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 16:23           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-07 16:37             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 22:25               ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:57                 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:32             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-09 18:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-07 22:19           ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:58             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:46           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 16:04             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 18:22               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 21:50                 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10 18:05                   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-10 22:17                     ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-13  2:15                     ` Neil Brown
2009-11-09 19:13               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 22:51             ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-09 18:56               ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 21:14                 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-09 21:54                   ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-10  0:17                     ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10  9:09                       ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-10 14:03                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-12 22:40                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-13 17:12                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 17:01                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-17  5:19                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 19:04                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-17  5:22                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-10 19:52                       ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-13  2:37                         ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13  5:30                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-13  9:33                           ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-15 21:05                           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-15 22:29                             ` Guy Watkins
2009-11-16  1:23                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-16  1:37                               ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16  5:21                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-16  5:35                                   ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16  7:40                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2009-11-12 22:57                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 18:11           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 20:58             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-09 22:03 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-12 19:20 greg
2009-11-13  2:28 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13  5:19   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-15  1:54   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-16 21:36 greg
2009-11-16 22:14 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-17  4:50   ` Goswin von Brederlow

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