From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
Guy Watkins <linux-raid@watkins-home.com>,
'Piergiorgio Sartor' <piergiorgio.sartor@nexgo.de>,
'Peter Rabbitson' <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>,
'Doug Ledford' <dledford@redhat.com>,
'Michael Evans' <mjevans1983@gmail.com>,
'Eyal Lebedinsky' <eyal@eyal.emu.id.au>,
'linux-raid list' <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: mismatch_cnt again
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:40:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87639ayl27.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091116163527.36454acc@notabene.brown> (Neil Brown's message of "Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:35:27 +1100")
Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:21:03 +0100
> Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:
>>
>> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:29:17 -0500
>> > "Guy Watkins" <linux-raid@watkins-home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been following this issue some, and I think this could be a
>> >> cause for silent corruption on RAID5 and RAID6. I don't think this
>> >> has been mentioned, if so, sorry.
>> >
>> > RAID1/RAID10 are very different from RAID5/RAID6
>> >
>> > RAID1/RAID10 can get 'mismatches' due to the particular behaviour
>> > of swap or filesystems. However this doesn't matter (the blocks
>> > that are inconsistent are of no interest to the filesystem).
>> >
>> > RAID5/RAID6 is careful not to allow any mismatches to creep in
>> > due to any particular filesystem or swap activity. This is because,
>> > as you say, those mismatches could be significant to the RAID
>> > algorithm even though they might be of no interest to the
>> > filesystem.
>> >
>> > mismatches can only occur in a RAID5/RAID6 due to a software bug
>> > in the md/raid code, or due to 'hardware errors' (including of
>> > course drive firmware errors etc).
>> >
>> > NeilBrown
>>
>> Does that mean raid4/5/6 always coppies the data or that it protects
>> it with the MMU?
>
> Always copies. Given that it has to access the data to calculate the
> XOR, the extra overhead of copying it is less than RAID1.
> Where hardware XOR support, hardware copy support is normally also
> available, and that is used.
In cases where you have XOR but not copy wouldn't you XOR against a
zero filled page to copy?
MfG
Goswin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-16 7:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-07 0:41 mismatch_cnt again Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 1:53 ` berk walker
2009-11-07 7:49 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 8:08 ` Michael Evans
2009-11-07 8:42 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 13:51 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-07 14:58 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 16:23 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-07 16:37 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 22:25 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:57 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:32 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-09 18:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-07 22:19 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:58 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:46 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 16:04 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 18:22 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 21:50 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10 18:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-10 22:17 ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-13 2:15 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-09 19:13 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 22:51 ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-09 18:56 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 21:14 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-09 21:54 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-10 0:17 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10 9:09 ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-10 14:03 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-12 22:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-13 17:12 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 17:01 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-17 5:19 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 19:04 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-17 5:22 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-10 19:52 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-13 2:37 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13 5:30 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-13 9:33 ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-15 21:05 ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-15 22:29 ` Guy Watkins
2009-11-16 1:23 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-16 1:37 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16 5:21 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-16 5:35 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16 7:40 ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2009-11-12 22:57 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 18:11 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 20:58 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-09 22:03 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-12 19:20 greg
2009-11-13 2:28 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13 5:19 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-15 1:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-16 21:36 greg
2009-11-16 22:14 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-17 4:50 ` Goswin von Brederlow
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