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From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Guy Watkins <linux-raid@watkins-home.com>
Cc: 'Piergiorgio Sartor' <piergiorgio.sartor@nexgo.de>,
	'Neil Brown' <neilb@suse.de>,
	'Peter Rabbitson' <rabbit+list@rabbit.us>,
	'Goswin von Brederlow' <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford@redhat.com>,
	'Michael Evans' <mjevans1983@gmail.com>,
	'Eyal Lebedinsky' <eyal@eyal.emu.id.au>,
	'linux-raid list' <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: mismatch_cnt again
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:23:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877htrw9cj.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DC9DEEF4919E420CB7CC2A160120D49A@m5> (Guy Watkins's message of "Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:29:17 -0500")

"Guy Watkins" <linux-raid@watkins-home.com> writes:

> I have been following this issue some, and I think this could be a cause for
> silent corruption on RAID5 and RAID6.  I don't think this has been
> mentioned, if so, sorry.
>
> If data blocks can be changed in memory before written to disk, even if the
> data blocks that were changed were never needed again from the disk, the
> other related blocks in the stripe are at risk.  If the parity blocks are
> computed, then the 1 data block in memory is changed, then the blocks are
> written to disk, the parity would be wrong.  If a disk fails and is re-added
> or replaced, the data block in that stripe will be computed using the
> changed block giving a now corrupt value.  I am assuming the stripe has some
> data blocks that have needed data and at least 1 that was not needed, and
> that block that was not needed was changed before writing it to disk.  And
> the disk that failed did not have the block that had been changed.
>
> I have a hard time conveying my thought in text.  I hope you understand me.
>
> Thanks for reading.

In short, the block on the replaced disk will be wrong and won't be
the one that caused the mismatch. I.e. a second block gets broken.

Replace another disk ad yet another block gets wrong. and so on.

MfG
        Goswin

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-16  1:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-07  0:41 mismatch_cnt again Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07  1:53 ` berk walker
2009-11-07  7:49   ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07  8:08     ` Michael Evans
2009-11-07  8:42       ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 13:51       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-07 14:58         ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 16:23           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-07 16:37             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-07 22:25               ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:57                 ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:32             ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-09 18:08               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-07 22:19           ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2009-11-07 22:58             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-08 15:46           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 16:04             ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 18:22               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 21:50                 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10 18:05                   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-10 22:17                     ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-13  2:15                     ` Neil Brown
2009-11-09 19:13               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-08 22:51             ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-09 18:56               ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-09 21:14                 ` NeilBrown
2009-11-09 21:54                   ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-10  0:17                     ` NeilBrown
2009-11-10  9:09                       ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-10 14:03                         ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-12 22:40                           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-13 17:12                             ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 17:01                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-17  5:19                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-14 19:04                               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-17  5:22                                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2009-11-10 19:52                       ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-13  2:37                         ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13  5:30                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-13  9:33                           ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-11-15 21:05                           ` Piergiorgio Sartor
2009-11-15 22:29                             ` Guy Watkins
2009-11-16  1:23                               ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2009-11-16  1:37                               ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16  5:21                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-16  5:35                                   ` Neil Brown
2009-11-16  7:40                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-12 22:57                       ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 18:11           ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-09 20:58             ` Doug Ledford
2009-11-09 22:03 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-12 19:20 greg
2009-11-13  2:28 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-13  5:19   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-11-15  1:54   ` Bill Davidsen
2009-11-16 21:36 greg
2009-11-16 22:14 ` Neil Brown
2009-11-17  4:50   ` Goswin von Brederlow

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