From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
Cc: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Requesting replace mode for changing a disk
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 03:22:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ab5lycnh.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A060CBE.9090308@tmr.com> (Bill Davidsen's message of "Sat, 09 May 2009 19:07:42 -0400")
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> writes:
> Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> consider the following situation: You have a software raid that runs
>> fine but one disk is suspect (e.g. SMART says failure imminent or
>> something). How do you replace that disk?
>>
>> Currently you have do fail/remove the disk from the raid, add a
>> fresh disk and resync. That leaves a large window in which redundancy
>> is compromised. With current disk sizes that can be days.
>>
>> It would be nice if one could tell the kernel to replace a disk in a
>> raid set with a spare without the need to degrade the raid.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>
> This is one of many things proposed occasionally here, no real
> objection, sometimes loud support, but no one actually *does* the code.
>
> You have described the problem exactly, and the solution is still to
> do it manually. But you don't need to fail the drive long term, if you
> can stop the array for a few moments. You stop the array, remove the
> suspect drive, create a raid1 of the suspect drive marked write-mostly
> and the new spare, then add the raid1 in place of the suspect
> drive. For any chunks present on the new drive the reads will go
> there, reducing access, while data is copied from the old to the new
> in resync, and writes still go to the old suspect drive so if the new
> drive fails you are no worse off. When the raid1 is clean you stop the
> main array and back the suspect drive out.
>
> This is complicated enough that I totally agree a hot migrate would be
> desirable. This is why people use lvm, although I make zero claims
> that this same problem will solve more easily, I'm just not an lvm
> guru (or even a newbie, just an occasional user).
The difference, appart from simpler usage, would be that the raid does
not have to be stoped. Stopping the raid that contains / or /usr means
some downtime.
In the case of LVM there is the fact that you can suspend a
device-mapper device and alter its mapping any way you wish. So you
can do things manually without umounting the filesystems. But lvm /
device-mapper doesn't have all the raid stuff so one can't just
switch.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-10 1:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-08 22:15 Requesting replace mode for changing a disk Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-09 11:41 ` John Robinson
2009-05-09 23:07 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-10 1:22 ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2009-05-10 2:20 ` Guy Watkins
2009-05-10 7:02 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-10 14:33 ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-10 15:55 ` Guy Watkins
2009-05-13 1:21 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-13 3:27 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-13 4:36 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13 7:37 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-13 11:02 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-14 10:44 ` David Greaves
2009-05-14 12:00 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13 4:31 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13 4:37 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13 4:54 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13 5:07 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13 5:21 ` NeilBrown
2009-05-13 5:31 ` SandeepKsinha
2009-05-13 10:51 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-13 7:28 ` Goswin von Brederlow
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2009-05-13 4:08 Sandeep K Sinha
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