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From: Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>
To: Richard Scobie <richard@sauce.co.nz>
Cc: Andrew Burgess <aab@cichlid.com>,
	linux raid mailing list <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Adding more drives/saturating the bandwidth
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:42:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d4btjwpf.fsf@frosties.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D3B8FC.7050204@sauce.co.nz> (Richard Scobie's message of "Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:57:00 +1300")

Richard Scobie <richard@sauce.co.nz> writes:

> Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>
>>
>> Now think about the same with 6 disk raid5. Suddenly you have partial
>> stripes. And the alignment on stripe boundaries is gone too. So now
>> you need to read 384k (I think) of data, compute or delta (whichever
>> requires less reads) the parity and write back 384k in 4 out of 6
>> cases and read 64k and write back 320k otherwise. So on average you
>> read 277.33k and write 362.66k (= 640k combined). That is twice the
>> previous bandwidth not to mention the delay for reading.
>>
>> So by adding a drive your throughput is suddenly halfed. Reading in
>> degraded mode suffers a slowdown too. CPU goes up too.
>>
>>
>> The performance of a raid is so much dependent on its access pattern
>> that imho one can not talk about a general case. But note that the
>> more drives you have the bigger a stripe becomes and you need larger
>> sequential writes to avoid reads.
>
> I take your point, but don't filesystems like XFS and ext4 play nice
> in this scenario by combining multiple sub-stripe writes into stripe
> sized writes out to disk?
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard

Some FS have a parameter to tune to the stripe size. If that actually
helps or not I leave for you to test.

But ask yourself: Have any a tool to retune after you've grown the raid?

MfG
        Goswin

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-03 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-26 12:43 Adding more drives/saturating the bandwidth Jon Hardcastle
2009-03-30 15:40 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-03-30 16:28   ` Nagilum
2009-03-31  8:23   ` Jon Hardcastle
2009-03-31 13:05     ` Greg Freemyer
2009-03-31 21:07     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-01  8:15       ` Jon Hardcastle
2009-04-01  8:56       ` Jon Hardcastle
2009-04-01 15:59         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-01 16:15           ` Greg Freemyer
2009-04-01 14:56       ` Andrew Burgess
2009-04-01 15:17         ` David Lethe
2009-04-01 18:06         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-01 18:57           ` Richard Scobie
2009-04-03 20:42             ` Goswin von Brederlow [this message]
2009-04-03 21:06               ` Robin Hill

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