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From: david@lang.hm
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: limits on raid
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:45:25 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706202341080.31603@asgard.lang.hm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070621063936.GT85884050@sgi.com>

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, David Chinner wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 12:56:44PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
>
>> I have that - apparently naive - idea that drives use strong checksum,
>> and will never return bad data, only good data or an error.  If this
>> isn't right, then it would really help to understand what the cause of
>> other failures are before working out how to handle them....
>
> The drive is not the only source of errors, though.  You could
> have a path problem that is corrupting random bits between the drive
> and the filesystem. So the data on the disk might be fine, and
> reading it via a redundant path might be all that is needed.

one of the 'killer features' of zfs is that it does checksums of every 
file on disk. so many people don't consider the disk infallable.

several other filesystems also do checksums

both bitkeeper and git do checksums of files to detect disk corruption

as david C points out there are many points in the path where the data 
could get corrupted besides on the platter.

David Lang

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-21  6:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-15  2:58 limits on raid david
2007-06-15  3:05 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  3:43   ` david
2007-06-15  3:58     ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  9:13       ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 22:21         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 11:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 16:23         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-15 17:20           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 21:59         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16 17:23           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-17 13:00           ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-18  4:57           ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  2:56             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  6:39               ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  6:45                 ` david [this message]
2007-06-21  8:59                   ` David Greaves
2007-06-21 17:00                   ` Mark Lord
2007-06-21 11:00                 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 12:40               ` Mattias Wadenstein
2007-06-21 14:40                 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-21 16:48                 ` david
2007-06-21 18:30                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-06-21 20:08               ` Nix
2007-06-16  2:03       ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-16  3:47         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16  4:40           ` Dan Merillat
2007-06-16  7:48           ` david
2007-06-16 13:38             ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 17:16               ` david
2007-06-17 17:16             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-18 17:20             ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 17:28               ` david
2007-06-18 18:03                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:12                   ` david
2007-06-18 18:33                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:40                       ` david
2007-06-18 19:11                         ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 20:52                           ` david
2007-06-18 21:46                             ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-18 21:56                               ` david
2007-06-18 22:00                                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-19 20:11                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 20:51                                   ` david
2007-06-19 15:07                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-19 19:28                               ` david
2007-06-18 18:07                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 18:16                   ` david
2007-06-16 13:33           ` David Greaves
2007-06-17  1:44             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-21  3:01             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  8:49               ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 14:08           ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17  1:47             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 13:28               ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 17:28                 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 19:30                   ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 19:54                     ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 20:46                       ` david
2007-06-17 20:44                     ` david
2007-06-17 17:14       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-21 23:03         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22  2:24           ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22  8:10             ` David Greaves
2007-06-22  9:51               ` david
2007-06-22 12:39                 ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 16:00                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22 16:55                     ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 18:41                     ` david

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