From: Mario Holbe <Mario.Holbe@TU-Ilmenau.DE>
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spares and partitioning huge disks
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:33:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <crpg32$2rr$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200501082025.20463.maarten@ultratux.net
maarten <maarten@ultratux.net> wrote:
> On Saturday 08 January 2005 19:55, you wrote:
>> My disks claim to be able to re-locate bad blocks on read error. But I am
>> not sure if this is correctable errors or not. If not correctable errors
>> are re-located, what data does the drive return? Since I don't know, I
...
> Afaik, if a drive senses it gets more 'difficult' than usual to read a sector,
> it will automatically copy it to a spare sector and reassign it. However, I
No, this is usually not the case. At least I don't know IDE drives
that do so. This is why I call it `sector read error'.
Each newer disk has some amount of `spare sectors' which can be
used to relocate bad sectors. Usually, you have two situations
where you can detect a bad sector:
1. If you write to it and this attempt fails and
2. If you read from it and this attempt fails.
1. would require some verify-operation, so I'm not sure if this
is done at all in the wild.
2. has a simple problem: If you get a read-request for sector x
and you cannot read it, what data should you return then? The
answer is simple: you don't return data but an error (the read-
error). Additionally you mark the sector as bad and relocate the
next write-request for that sector to some spare sector and further
read-requests then too. However, you still have to respond error
messages for each subsequent read-request before the first
relocated write-request appears.
And afaik this is what current disks do. That's why you can just
re-sync the failed disk to the array again without any problem -
because the write-request happens then, the relocation takes place
and everything's fine.
regards,
Mario
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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-06 14:16 Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-06 16:46 ` Guy
2005-01-06 17:08 ` maarten
2005-01-06 17:31 ` Guy
2005-01-06 18:18 ` maarten
[not found] ` <41DD83DA.9040609@h3c.com>
2005-01-06 19:42 ` maarten
2005-01-07 20:59 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-07 21:57 ` Guy
2005-01-08 10:22 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 12:19 ` maarten
2005-01-08 16:33 ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:58 ` maarten
2005-01-08 14:52 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-08 15:50 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-08 16:32 ` Guy
2005-01-08 17:16 ` maarten
2005-01-08 18:55 ` Guy
2005-01-08 19:25 ` maarten
2005-01-08 20:33 ` Mario Holbe [this message]
2005-01-08 23:01 ` maarten
2005-01-09 10:10 ` Mario Holbe
2005-01-09 16:23 ` Guy
2005-01-09 16:36 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 17:52 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 17:59 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-09 18:34 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-09 20:28 ` Guy
2005-01-09 20:47 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 7:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 9:05 ` Guy
2005-01-10 9:38 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 12:31 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 13:19 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-10 18:37 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-11 11:34 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-08 23:09 ` Guy
2005-01-09 0:56 ` maarten
2005-01-13 2:05 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-13 4:55 ` Guy
2005-01-13 9:27 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 15:53 ` Guy
2005-01-13 17:16 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-13 20:40 ` Guy
2005-01-13 23:32 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-14 2:43 ` Guy
2005-01-08 16:49 ` maarten
2005-01-08 19:01 ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:34 ` maarten
2005-01-10 16:36 ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 17:10 ` maarten
2005-01-16 16:19 ` 4 questions. Chieftec chassis case CA-01B, resync times, selecting ide driver module loading, raid5 :2 drives on same ide channel Mitchell Laks
2005-01-16 17:53 ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-16 18:22 ` Maarten
2005-01-16 19:39 ` Guy
2005-01-16 20:55 ` Maarten
2005-01-16 21:58 ` Guy
2005-01-10 17:13 ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
2005-01-10 17:35 ` hard disk re-locates bad block on read Guy
2005-01-11 14:34 ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-11 22:43 ` Guy
2005-01-12 13:51 ` Tom Coughlan
2005-01-10 18:24 ` Spares and partitioning huge disks maarten
2005-01-10 20:09 ` Guy
2005-01-10 21:21 ` maarten
2005-01-11 1:04 ` maarten
2005-01-10 18:40 ` maarten
2005-01-10 19:41 ` Guy
2005-01-12 11:41 ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-13 2:11 ` RAID-6 Neil Brown
2005-01-15 16:12 ` RAID-6 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-17 8:04 ` RAID-6 Turbo Fredriksson
2005-01-11 10:09 ` Spares and partitioning huge disks KELEMEN Peter
2005-01-09 19:33 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 21:26 ` maarten
2005-01-09 22:29 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-09 23:16 ` maarten
2005-01-10 8:15 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2005-01-14 17:29 ` Dieter Stueken
2005-01-14 17:46 ` maarten
2005-01-14 19:14 ` Derek Piper
2005-01-15 0:13 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-15 9:34 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15 9:54 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:31 ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-15 11:10 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-15 10:33 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-15 11:07 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-09 23:20 ` Guy
2005-01-10 7:42 ` Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 9:03 ` Guy
2005-01-10 12:21 ` Stats... [RE: Spares and partitioning huge disks] Gordon Henderson
2005-01-10 0:42 ` Spares and partitioning huge disks Guy
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2005-01-13 9:53 Bene Martin
2005-01-13 10:11 ` Peter T. Breuer
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