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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Bart Van Assche <Bart.VanAssche@sandisk.com>,
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	"lars.ellenberg@linbit.com" <lars.ellenberg@linbit.com>,
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Cc: "linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/23] sd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 18:53:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fcb3c0d2-f043-ac84-30b7-d1d7afb3d63e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1490804856.3551.3.camel@sandisk.com>



On 29/03/2017 18:28, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-03-29 at 16:51 +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> On 28/03/2017 20:50, Bart Van Assche wrote:
>>> This means that just like the start and end of a discard must be aligned on a
>>> discard_granularity boundary, WRITE SAME commands with the UNMAP bit set must
>>> also respect that granularity. I think this means that either
>>> __blkdev_issue_zeroout() has to be modified such that it rejects unaligned
>>> REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES operations or that blk_bio_write_same_split() has to be
>>> modified such that it generates REQ_OP_WRITEs for the unaligned start and tail.
>>
>> I don't think this is the case.
> 
> Hello Paolo,
> 
> Can you cite the section(s) from the SCSI specs that support your view? I
> reread the "5.49 WRITE SAME (10) command" and "4.7.3.4.4 WRITE SAME command
> and unmap operations" sections but I have not found any explicit statement
> that specifies the behavior for unaligned WRITE SAME commands with the UNMAP
> bit set. It seems to me like the OPTIMAL UNMAP GRANULARITY parameter was
> overlooked when both sections were written. Should we ask the T10 committee
> for a clarification?

From 4.7.3.4.4:

------
If unmap operations are requested in a WRITE SAME command,
then for each specified LBA:

if the Data-Out Buffer of the WRITE SAME command is the same as the
logical block data returned by a read operation from that LBA while in
the unmapped state (see 4.7.4.5), then:

1) the device server performs the actions described in table 6; and

2) if an unmap operation is not performed in step 1), then the device
server shall perform the specified write operation to that LBA;
------

and from the description of WRITE SAME (10): "subsequent read operations
behave as if the device server wrote the single block of user data
received from the Data-Out Buffer to each logical block without
modification" (I have a slightly older copy though, it's 5.45 here).

It's pretty unambiguous that if the device cannot unmap (including the
case where the request is misaligned with respect to the granularity) it
does a write.

> Another question is, if the specification of WRITE SAME + UNMAP would be
> made unambiguous in the SBC document, whether or not we should take the risk
> to trigger behavior that is not what we expect by sending unaligned WRITE
> SAME + UNMAP commands to SCSI devices?

Yes, I think we should.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-29 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-23 14:33 RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 01/23] block: renumber REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:12   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490717553.2573.4.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:53       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 02/23] block: implement splitting of REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES bios Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 03/23] sd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 18:50   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490726988.2573.16.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 19:33       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30  2:25       ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-29 14:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-29 16:28       ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 16:53         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 04/23] md: support REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 05/23] dm: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 06/23] dm-kcopyd: switch to use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:55   ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-23 14:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 15:10       ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-27  9:12         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 07/23] block: stop using blkdev_issue_write_same for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 08/23] block: add a flags argument to (__)blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 09/23] block: add a REQ_UNMAP flag for REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 10/23] block: add a new BLKDEV_ZERO_NOFALLBACK flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 11/23] block_dev: use blkdev_issue_zerout for hole punches Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 16:50   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1490719834.2573.9.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  8:59       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 12/23] sd: handle REQ_UNMAP Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-13-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-28 16:48     ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:57       ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]       ` <1490719722.2573.8.camel-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30  9:02         ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
     [not found]           ` <20170330090201.GD12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:28             ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:30               ` hch
     [not found]                 ` <20170330173020.GB24229-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:19                   ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]                     ` <yq17f36yypg.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  7:18                       ` hch-jcswGhMUV9g
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 13/23] nvme: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 14/23] zram: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 15/23] loop: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 16/23] brd: remove discard support Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 17/23] rbd: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 18/23] rsxx: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 19/23] mmc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 20/23] block: stop using discards for zeroing Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 21/23] drbd: make intelligent use of blkdev_issue_zeroout Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 22/23] drbd: implement REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <20170323143341.31549-23-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 10:06     ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-30 11:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 12:50         ` [Drbd-dev] " Lars Ellenberg
     [not found]         ` <20170330114408.GA15777-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 13:49           ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20170330134957.GA508-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:20               ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 23:15                 ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                   ` <20170330231550.GA3102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  2:34                     ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-31  7:17                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-23 14:33 ` [PATCH 23/23] block: remove the discard_zeroes_data flag Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-28 17:00   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-03-29 14:52     ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-03-30  9:06     ` hch
     [not found]       ` <20170330090655.GF12015-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:29         ` Martin K. Petersen
2017-03-30 17:29           ` hch
     [not found] ` <20170323143341.31549-1-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 15:54   ` RFC: always use REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES for zeroing offload Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-23 17:02     ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]       ` <20170323170221.GA20854-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-23 22:53         ` Lars Ellenberg
2017-03-29 14:57           ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]     ` <20170323155410.GD1138-w1SgEEioFePxa46PmUWvFg@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27  9:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20170327091056.GB6879-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:03           ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20170327140307.GA13020-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-27 14:57               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-27 15:08             ` [Drbd-dev] " Bart Van Assche
2017-03-30  9:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-30 15:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2017-03-30 15:22   ` Martin K. Petersen
     [not found]     ` <yq1lgrm3i36.fsf-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 15:38       ` Mike Snitzer

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