From: Francois Barre <francois.barre@gmail.com>
To: David Liontooth <liontooth@cogweb.net>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:12:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fd8d0180602060912q6181d52bs@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E77D35.1040905@cogweb.net>
2006/2/6, David Liontooth <liontooth@cogweb.net>:
> Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Feb 2006, David Liontooth wrote:
> > For their deskstar (sata/pata) drives I didn't find life time
> > estimates beyond 50000 start-stop-cycles.
>
> If components are in fact manufactured to fail simultaneously under
> normal use (including a dozen or two start-stop cycles a day), then
> taking the drive off-line for more than a few hours should
> unproblematically extend its life.
>
IMHO, a single start-stop cycle is more costy in terms of lifetime
than a couple of hours spinning. As far as I know, on actual disks
(especially 7200 and 10k rpm ones), spinup is a really critical and
life-consuming action ; spindle motor is heavily used, much more than
it will be when spin speed is stable. On our actual storage design,
disks are never stopped (sorry for Earth...), because it doesn't worth
spinning down for less than a couple of days.
However, temperature has a real impact on heads, (incl. head motors),
because of material dilatation on overheat. So cooling your drives is
a major issue.
> how long do modern hard drives last in cold storage?
Demagnetation ?
A couple of years back in time, there were some tools to read and then
rewrite floppy contents to remagnet the floppy content. I guess it
shall be the same for the drive : periodically re-read and re-write
each and every sector of the drive to grant a good magnetation of the
surface.
I would not give more than 100 years for a drive to lose all its
content by demagnetation... Anyway, in 100 years, no computer will
have the controllers to plug a sata nor a scsi :-p.
I guess a long-living system should not stay cool, and
re-activate/check its content periodically...
> we now know home-made CDs last a couple of years.
I thought it was said to be at least a century... But with the
enormous cost reduction operated in this area, it's no surprise the
lifetime decreased so much.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-02-06 17:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-02-02 5:59 RAID 16? David Liontooth
2006-02-02 6:03 ` Neil Brown
2006-02-02 8:34 ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 16:17 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 16:28 ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-02 16:54 ` Gordon Henderson
2006-02-02 20:24 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-02 21:18 ` J. Ryan Earl
2006-02-02 21:29 ` Andy Smith
2006-02-02 22:38 ` Konstantin Olchanski
2006-02-03 2:31 ` Ross Vandegrift
2006-02-03 2:54 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-02 18:42 ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2006-02-02 20:34 ` Matthias Urlichs
2006-02-03 0:20 ` Guy
2006-02-03 0:59 ` David Liontooth
2006-02-02 16:44 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2006-02-03 9:08 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-02-03 2:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-02-05 23:42 ` Hard drive lifetime: wear from spinning up or rebooting vs running David Liontooth
2006-02-06 3:57 ` Konstantin Olchanski
2006-02-06 5:25 ` Patrik Jonsson
2006-02-06 4:35 ` Richard Scobie
2006-02-06 10:09 ` Mattias Wadenstein
2006-02-06 16:45 ` David Liontooth
2006-02-06 17:12 ` Francois Barre [this message]
2006-02-07 8:44 ` Hans Kristian Rosbach
2006-02-07 19:18 ` Neil Bortnak
2006-02-06 19:22 ` Brad Dameron
2006-02-06 21:15 ` Dan Stromberg
2009-09-20 19:44 ` RAID 16? Matthias Urlichs
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