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From: ptb@lab.it.uc3m.es (Peter T. Breuer)
To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:43:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <qi1qa2-squ.ln1@news.it.uc3m.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 16858.7053.312590.647797@cse.unsw.edu.au

Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> On Monday January 3, aoga@ns.Linux-Consulting.com wrote:
> > 
> > > > think, the branch of mathematics that has the highest ratio of people
> > > > who think that understand it to people to actually do (witness the
> > > > success of lotteries).
> > 
> > ahh ... but the stock market is the worlds largest casino
> 
> and how many people do you know who make money on stock markets.

Ooh .. several mathematicians (pay is not very high!). 

> Now compare that with how many loose money on lotteries.

I don't have to - I wouldn't place money in a lottery.  The expected
gain is negative whatever you do.  I stick to investments where I have
an expectation of a positive gain with at least some strategy.

Mind you, as Conway often said,  statistics don't apply to improbable
events. So you should bet on anything which is not likely to occur more
than once or twice a lifetime (theory - if you win, just don't try it
again; if you die first, well, you won't care).

Stick to someting more certain, like blackjack, if you want to  make $.

> Apparently teaching probability at University doesn't necessary mean
> that you understand it. 

Perhaps the problem is at your end?

> I cannot comment on your understanding, but
> if you ask google about the Monty Hall problem  and include search
> terms like "professor" or "maths department" you will find plenty of
> (reported) cases of University staff not getting it.

Who cares? It's easy to concoct problems that a person will get wrong
if they answer according to intuition. I can do that trick easily on
you! (or anyone).

> They were both wrong.

What are you trying to "prove"? There is no need to be insulting.
Simply pick up the technical conversation!

Peter


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-04  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200501030916.j039Gqe23568@inv.it.uc3m.es>
2005-01-03 10:17 ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Guy
2005-01-03 11:31   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 17:34     ` Guy
2005-01-03 19:20       ` ext3 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-03 19:47         ` ext3 Morten Sylvest Olsen
2005-01-03 20:05           ` ext3 Gordon Henderson
2005-01-03 17:46     ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) maarten
2005-01-03 19:52       ` maarten
2005-01-03 20:41         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:19           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:46             ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04  0:28               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04  1:18                 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-04  4:29                   ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04  8:43                     ` Peter T. Breuer [this message]
2005-01-04  2:07                 ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04  2:16                   ` Ewan Grantham
2005-01-04  2:22                     ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04  2:41                       ` Andy Smith
2005-01-04  3:42                         ` Neil Brown
2005-01-04  9:50                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:15                             ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 15:20                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 16:42                             ` Guy
2005-01-04 17:46                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04  9:30                         ` Maarten
2005-01-04 10:18                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 13:36                             ` Maarten
2005-01-04 14:13                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:22                                 ` maarten
2005-01-04 20:05                                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 21:38                                     ` Guy
2005-01-04 23:53                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  0:58                                       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-04 21:48                                     ` maarten
2005-01-04 23:14                                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  1:53                                         ` maarten
2005-01-04  9:46                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:02                           ` maarten
2005-01-04 19:12                             ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 21:08                             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 22:02                               ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-04 23:20                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  5:44                                   ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05  9:00                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  9:14                                       ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05  9:28                                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  9:43                                           ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 15:09                                             ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:52                                               ` maarten
2005-01-05 10:04                                           ` Andy Smith
2005-01-04 22:21                               ` Neil Brown
2005-01-05  0:08                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 22:29                               ` Neil Brown
2005-01-05  0:19                                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  1:19                                   ` Jure Pe_ar
2005-01-05  2:29                                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05  0:38                               ` maarten
2005-01-04  9:40                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 11:57                     ` Which drive gets read in case of inconsistency? [was: ext3 journal on software raid etc] Michael Tokarev
2005-01-04 12:40                       ` Morten Sylvest Olsen
2005-01-04 12:44                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:22                         ` Maarten
2005-01-04 14:56                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:03                     ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) David Greaves
2005-01-04 14:07                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 14:43                         ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 15:12                           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 16:54                             ` David Greaves
2005-01-04 17:42                               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 19:12                                 ` David Greaves
2005-01-04  0:45           ` maarten
2005-01-04 10:14             ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 13:24               ` Maarten
2005-01-04 14:05                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 15:31                   ` Maarten
2005-01-04 16:21                     ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 20:55                       ` maarten
2005-01-04 21:11                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 21:38                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-04 23:29                           ` Guy
2005-01-04 19:57                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2005-01-04 21:05                       ` maarten
2005-01-04 21:26                         ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-04 21:46                         ` Guy
2005-01-03 20:22       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 23:05         ` Guy
2005-01-04  0:08         ` maarten
2005-01-04  8:57         ` I'm glad I don't live in Spain (was Re: ext3 journal on software raid) David L. Smith-Uchida
2005-01-03 21:36       ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Guy
2005-01-04  0:15         ` maarten
2005-01-04 11:21           ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-03  9:30 Peter T. Breuer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-12-30  0:31 PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 16:23 ` Georg C. F. Greve
2004-12-30 17:39   ` Peter T. Breuer
2004-12-30 19:50     ` Michael Tokarev
2004-12-30 21:39       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-02 19:42         ` ext3 journal on software raid (was Re: PROBLEM: Kernel 2.6.10 crashing repeatedly and hard) Andy Smith
2005-01-02 20:18           ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  0:30             ` Andy Smith
2005-01-03  6:41               ` Neil Brown
2005-01-03  8:37                 ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  8:03               ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03  8:58                 ` Guy
2005-01-03 12:11                 ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-03 14:23                   ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-03 18:30                     ` maarten
2005-01-03 21:36                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05  9:56           ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 10:44             ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 10:56               ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 11:39                 ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 12:02                   ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 13:23                     ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 13:33                       ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 14:12                 ` Erik Mouw
2005-01-05 14:37                   ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 17:11                     ` Erik Mouw
2005-01-06  5:41                       ` Brad Campbell
2005-01-05 15:17                 ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:33                   ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 16:22                     ` Michael Tokarev
2005-01-05 17:23                       ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 16:23                     ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 16:30                       ` Andy Smith
2005-01-05 17:07                     ` Guy
2005-01-05 17:21                       ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:32                         ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:37                           ` Alvin Oga
2005-01-05 17:26                       ` David Greaves
2005-01-05 18:16                         ` Peter T. Breuer
2005-01-05 18:28                           ` Guy
2005-01-05 18:26                         ` Guy
2005-01-05 15:48                   ` Peter T. Breuer

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