From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
st0ff@npl.de, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Use of WD20EARS with MDADM
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:36:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <y2x5bdc1c8b1004211036ra8e10a43kc1a13c2b374a5f7b@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BCF163C.6040604@cfl.rr.com>
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I've not seen any anecdotal stories, but I have seen plenty of reports
> with real data showing a large number of head unloads from the SMART
> data after a relatively short period of use. Personally mine has a few
> hundred so far and I have not even used it for real storage yet, only
> testing. The specifications say it's good for 300,000 cycles, so do the
> math... getting 5 unloads per minute would lead to probable failure
> after 41 days. Granted that is about worst case, but still something to
> watch out for. In order to make it the entire 3 year warranty period,
> you need to stay under 11.4 unloads per hour. If you have very little
> IO activity, or VERY MUCH, then this is entirely possible, but more
> moderate loads in the middle have been observed to cause hundreds of
> unloads per hour.
>
> Given that, and the fact that WD themselves have stated that you should
> not use these drives in a raid array, I'd either stay away, or watch out
> for this problem and try to take action to avoid and monitor it.
I think I reported this earlier, but here is a WD10EARS drive in a
standard Gentoo Linux desktop machine. The drive has 1661 hours
powered up and 43508 load cycles. That's 26/hour and works out to
about 14 months before it will be out of spec at 300K cycles.
This machine only gets a few hours of use a day but is generally
powered up all the time. I don't know why Linux wakes this drive up
roughly every two minutes, assuming it's Linux and not the drive
itself or something on the motherboard, but it does.
I tried three of these drives in a RAID1 in another machine and they
simply didn't work. Went off line over and over, with big wait times
when they were working. I made no other changes expect changing to a
WD 500GB RAID Edition drive and get almostno load cycle counts at all.
- Mark
gandalf ~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [x86_64-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model: WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1
Serial Number: WD-WCAV55464493
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes
Device is: Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is: 8
ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is: Wed Apr 21 10:35:32 2010 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
gandalf ~ #
gandalf ~ # smartctl -A /dev/sda
smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [x86_64-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 200 200 051 Pre-fail
Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0027 129 128 021 Pre-fail
Always - 6525
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age
Always - 21
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 200 200 140 Pre-fail
Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002e 200 200 000 Old_age
Always - 0
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 098 098 000 Old_age
Always - 1661
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032 100 253 000 Old_age
Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age
Always - 20
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age
Always - 5
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0032 186 186 000 Old_age
Always - 43508
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 121 116 000 Old_age
Always - 26
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age
Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age
Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0030 200 200 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x0032 200 200 000 Old_age
Always - 0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0008 200 200 000 Old_age
Offline - 0
gandalf ~ #
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-21 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-03-25 16:20 Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Andrew Dunn
2010-03-25 17:01 ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:58 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-25 20:23 ` John Robinson
2010-03-26 10:45 ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:10 ` David Lethe
2010-03-25 17:45 ` Asdo
2010-03-28 16:19 ` Stefan *St0fF* Huebner
2010-03-29 16:59 ` WD20EARS data Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-03-29 17:13 ` Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-04-14 19:53 ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Bill Davidsen
2010-04-19 14:17 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 13:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 13:45 ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 14:32 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-04-21 21:58 ` Berkey B Walker
2010-05-02 22:33 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-05-03 0:08 ` Berkey B Walker
2010-04-21 15:14 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 16:42 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 17:36 ` Mark Knecht [this message]
2010-04-21 18:40 ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 19:01 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-21 19:31 ` Clinton Lee Taylor
2010-04-22 0:51 ` Steven Haigh
2010-04-21 19:33 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:36 ` Mark Knecht
2010-05-12 13:06 ` Tim Small
2010-04-22 11:40 ` wdidle3 Tim Small
2010-04-22 16:13 ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Khelben Blackstaff
2010-04-22 18:16 ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-22 19:44 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 23:23 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23 0:03 ` Richard Scobie
2010-04-23 1:29 ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23 3:49 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-23 3:44 ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 15:52 ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-21 19:24 ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 20:27 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 20:59 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:01 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 21:06 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:16 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:19 ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 22:38 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 22:47 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 22:50 ` Matt Garman
2010-03-26 22:51 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 23:01 ` David Rees
2010-03-27 23:31 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:45 ` Matt Garman
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