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From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	st0ff@npl.de, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Use of WD20EARS with MDADM
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:36:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y2x5bdc1c8b1004211036ra8e10a43kc1a13c2b374a5f7b@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BCF163C.6040604@cfl.rr.com>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I've not seen any anecdotal stories, but I have seen plenty of reports
> with real data showing a large number of head unloads from the SMART
> data after a relatively short period of use.  Personally mine has a few
> hundred so far and I have not even used it for real storage yet, only
> testing.  The specifications say it's good for 300,000 cycles, so do the
> math... getting 5 unloads per minute would lead to probable failure
> after 41 days.  Granted that is about worst case, but still something to
> watch out for.  In order to make it the entire 3 year warranty period,
> you need to stay under 11.4 unloads per hour.  If you have very little
> IO activity, or VERY MUCH, then this is entirely possible, but more
> moderate loads in the middle have been observed to cause hundreds of
> unloads per hour.
>
> Given that, and the fact that WD themselves have stated that you should
> not use these drives in a raid array, I'd either stay away, or watch out
> for this problem and try to take action to avoid and monitor it.

I think I reported this earlier, but here is a WD10EARS drive in a
standard Gentoo Linux desktop machine. The drive has 1661 hours
powered up and 43508 load cycles. That's 26/hour and works out to
about 14 months before it will be out of spec at 300K cycles.

This machine only gets a few hours of use a day but is generally
powered up all the time. I don't know why Linux wakes this drive up
roughly every two minutes, assuming it's Linux and not the drive
itself or something on the motherboard, but it does.

I tried three of these drives in a RAID1 in another machine and they
simply didn't work. Went off line over and over, with big wait times
when they were working. I made no other changes expect changing to a
WD 500GB RAID Edition drive and get almostno load cycle counts at all.

- Mark

gandalf ~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [x86_64-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1
Serial Number:    WD-WCAV55464493
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity:    1,000,204,886,016 bytes
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:    Wed Apr 21 10:35:32 2010 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

gandalf ~ #
gandalf ~ # smartctl -A /dev/sda
smartctl 5.39.1 2010-01-28 r3054 [x86_64-pc-linux-gnu] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-10 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail
Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   129   128   021    Pre-fail
Always       -       6525
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age
Always       -       21
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail
Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age
Always       -       1661
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age
Always       -       20
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age
Always       -       5
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   186   186   000    Old_age
Always       -       43508
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   121   116   000    Old_age
Always       -       26
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age
Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age
Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age
Offline      -       0

gandalf ~ #
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-21 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-25 16:20 Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Andrew Dunn
2010-03-25 17:01 ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:58   ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-25 20:23     ` John Robinson
2010-03-26 10:45     ` Asdo
2010-03-25 17:10 ` David Lethe
2010-03-25 17:45   ` Asdo
2010-03-28 16:19     ` Stefan *St0fF* Huebner
2010-03-29 16:59       ` WD20EARS data Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-03-29 17:13         ` Stefan /*St0fF*/ Hübner
2010-04-14 19:53       ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Bill Davidsen
2010-04-19 14:17         ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 13:20           ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 13:45             ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 14:32             ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2010-04-21 21:58               ` Berkey B Walker
2010-05-02 22:33                 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-05-03  0:08                   ` Berkey B Walker
2010-04-21 15:14             ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 16:42               ` Bill Davidsen
2010-04-21 17:36               ` Mark Knecht [this message]
2010-04-21 18:40                 ` Tim Small
2010-04-21 19:01                   ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-21 19:31                     ` Clinton Lee Taylor
2010-04-22  0:51                       ` Steven Haigh
2010-04-21 19:33                     ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 20:36                       ` Mark Knecht
2010-05-12 13:06                       ` Tim Small
2010-04-22 11:40                     ` wdidle3 Tim Small
2010-04-22 16:13                   ` Use of WD20EARS with MDADM Khelben Blackstaff
2010-04-22 18:16                     ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-22 19:44                     ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-22 23:23                       ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23  0:03                         ` Richard Scobie
2010-04-23  1:29                           ` Mark Knecht
2010-04-23  3:49                           ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-23  3:44                         ` Phillip Susi
2010-04-21 15:52             ` Simon Matthews
2010-04-21 19:24             ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 20:27 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 20:59   ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:01     ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 21:06       ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:16         ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:19           ` Richard Scobie
2010-03-26 22:38             ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 22:47               ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 22:50               ` Matt Garman
2010-03-26 22:51                 ` Peter Kieser
2010-03-26 23:01               ` David Rees
2010-03-27 23:31                 ` Mark Knecht
2010-03-26 21:45   ` Matt Garman

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