From: "Steve Wise" <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: 'Jason Gunthorpe'
<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
'Sagi Grimberg'
<sagig-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Christoph Hellwig' <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
'Or Gerlitz' <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
'Oren Duer' <oren-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
'Chuck Lever'
<chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
'Bart Van Assche' <bvanassche-HInyCGIudOg@public.gmane.org>,
'Liran Liss' <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
"'Hefty,
Sean'" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
'Doug Ledford' <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
'Tom Talpey' <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: RE: Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC]
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:50:01 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <005201d0bf2f$0e5e3ed0$2b1abc70$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150715183129.GC23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org [mailto:linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Gunthorpe
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 1:31 PM
> To: Sagi Grimberg
> Cc: Christoph Hellwig; linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; Steve Wise; Or Gerlitz; Oren Duer; Chuck Lever; Bart Van Assche; Liran Liss;
Hefty,
> Sean; Doug Ledford; Tom Talpey
> Subject: Re: Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC]
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:01:46AM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > On 7/14/2015 8:09 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > >On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 07:55:39PM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > >
> > >>But, if people think that it's better to have an API that does implicit
> > >>posting always without notification, and then silently consume error or
> > >>flush completions. I can try and look at it as well.
> > >
> > >Can we do FMR transparently if we bundle the post? If yes, I'd call
> > >that a winner..
> >
> > Doing FMR transparently is not possible as the unmap flow is scheduling.
> > Unlike NFS, iSER unmaps from a soft-IRQ context, SRP unmaps from
> > hard-IRQ context. Changing the context to thread context is not
> > acceptable. The best we can do is using FMR_POOLs transparently.
> > Other than polluting the API and its semantics I suspect people will
> > have other problems with it (leaving the MRs open).
>
> Upon deeper thought, I think I see a fairly simple solution here.
>
> 1) Really, we probably never need a FMR for the lkey side, we should
> just use multiple READ/WRITE ops to get a long enough SG list.
> Even if this is not performant on mhca/ehca.
>
> If we absolutely need FMR for SEND/RECV lkey (do we? Anyone know?),
> then I have some good thoughts on how to make that work transparent..
>
> However, rather than do all that, I'd probably choose to just
> bounce buffer the few rare SEND/RECVs that need a MR. I'm guessing
> the usage is 0 or near zero??
>
> 2) The FMR completion flow for rkey is actually the same as the FRWR flow:
> - Catch the SEND that says the READ/WRITE is done
> - Issue an async invalidate
> - Catch the invalidate completion
>
> So, my simple proposal is to have the core wrapper mthca/ehca's
> poll_cq wrapper. The flow works like this:
>
> - ULP calls a 'rdma_post_close_rkey' helper
> * For FRWR this posts the INVALIDATE
Note: Some send operations automatically invalidate an rkey (and the lkey for IB?). This is intended to avoid having to post the
invalidate WR explicitly. Namely IB_WR_READ_WITH_INV and IB_WR_SEND_WITH_INV.
> * For FMR this triggers a work queue that issues the invalidate
> async
> - ULP calls poll_cq
> * For FRWR no change, the driver is called directly
> * For FMR, the poll_cq wrapper looks at a 2nd queue
> filled in by the async work queue above. If it has entries they
> are copied out as IB_WC_LOCAL_INV before calling the driver's
> poll_cq.
>
> This works best under the API I was talking about before, using
> posting helpers to form the right SQEs for the hardware being used.
>
> I'm not exactly clear on the recycling rules for either FRWR or FMR -
> are they use-once-then-destroy, or can they be reused?
>
For FRWRs, the MR can be reused with the same key values, or the bottom 8b of the keys can be modified before re-registering using
ib_update_fast_reg_key(). This allows applications to detect when using stale keys.
> Basically.. I think something along your idea is a good first step, it
> unifies the driver API for the posting MR schemes.
>
> The next step would be the posting helpers I've been talking about
> that do all the complicated logic for the ULPs. Those helpers would be
> able to hide the OP segmentation and FMR rkey using the above
> schemes.
>
> This sounds very workable? Christoph?
>
> Jason
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-10 9:09 Kernel fast memory registration API proposal [RFC] Sagi Grimberg
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2015-07-11 10:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
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2015-07-12 7:57 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A21DF6.6090909-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12 18:15 ` Chuck Lever
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2015-07-13 6:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
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2015-07-13 14:16 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <1D9C0527-E277-4C3F-A80D-C4FBAA3D82E9-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 8:50 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A4CD5B.9030000-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 18:58 ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-13 16:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150713163015.GA23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 8:39 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A4CABC.5050807-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 14:42 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20150714153347.GA11026-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 15:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150714155340.GA7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:46 ` Sagi Grimberg
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2015-07-14 17:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-14 18:07 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15 3:05 ` Doug Ledford
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2015-07-15 8:52 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 16:12 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A534D1.6030008-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:16 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 17:29 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150714163506.GC7399-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 16:55 ` Sagi Grimberg
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2015-07-14 17:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-15 8:01 ` Sagi Grimberg
[not found] ` <55A6136A.8010204-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:32 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <A9EF2F26-E737-4E80-B2E3-F8D6406F9893-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 14:39 ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-15 17:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20150715171926.GB23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 18:39 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-15 21:25 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <F2C64EE9-38A5-4DEE-B60E-AD8430FE1049-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 22:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-16 14:45 ` Chuck Lever
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2015-07-16 14:56 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-16 17:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-16 20:07 ` Chuck Lever
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2015-07-16 20:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-17 15:03 ` Chuck Lever
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2015-07-17 17:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2015-07-17 20:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16 6:52 ` Sagi Grimberg
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2015-07-16 14:25 ` Steve Wise
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2015-07-16 12:21 ` Sagi Grimberg
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2015-07-21 11:40 ` Sagi Grimberg
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