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From: "Steve Wise" <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: 'Leon Romanovsky' <leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	'Jason Gunthorpe'
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Yishai Hadas'
	<yishaih-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	'linux-rdma' <linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	'Yishai Hadas' <yishaih-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Matan Barak' <matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Majd Dibbiny' <majd-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	talal-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org
Subject: RE: Upcoming libibverbs release
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 14:12:19 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <022001d1d170$fda2c3e0$f8e84ba0$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160628170549.GE3584-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:20:28AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 08:02:46AM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:17:58PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > Doug and I have both stated we don't want to see so many
> > > > single-provider APIs and churn in libibverbs. This was designed to be
> > > > a generic API that all providers can implement.
> > > >
> > > > The responsibility falls on you to make sure that it works
> > > > universally. Compat is one option.
> > > >
> > > > This is also why it is necessary to get the other provider authors to
> > > > say this works on their hardware, because they *all* ultimately have
> > > > to implement it.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think many people realize this yet.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jason,
> > > You are over-estimating the number of other providers who are
> > > interesting in libibverbs in 2014-2016.
> >
> > I don't think that is a reasonable metric, verbs is stable, I don't
> > expect companies to be constantly churning it.
> >
> > And that certainly doesn't mean we should abandon their providers when
> > building new APIs.
> >
> > However, if that is your position then propose a patch so libibverbs
> > with the new polling API will not load old providers that do not
> > support it, and they can be deprecated. If their authors don't object,
> > like you predict, then great.
> >
> > But at the end of the day, the message to users must be to use the
> > new polling API, the old one is deprecated, and apps should never
> > include fallback code because the new API always works.
> 
> Please put aside Yishai's patches, I'm not taking about them.
> 
> We are talking about the total number of other vendors who will
> be ready to implement new features exposed in libibverbs.
> 
> Git log perfectly supports my claim that this number is extremely low.
> 

I haven't been following this (long) thread closely enough, but I hope any new
functionality is not _breaking_ existing applications from using _currently
supported_ providers?  I thought all this CQ accessor cruft was backwards
compatible.  Perhaps I'm wrong?





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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-28 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-23 16:51 Upcoming libibverbs release Doug Ledford
     [not found] ` <3b89c411-72be-ddc5-5ebf-009eeee29692-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-24 11:50   ` Yishai Hadas
2016-06-26 16:54   ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]     ` <4ec1d8e6-a908-bb49-a137-415856ec6faa-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-27 18:17       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160627181758.GD23540-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28  5:02           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]             ` <20160628050246.GB3584-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28 15:52               ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                 ` <1467129133.8638.75.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28 16:22                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-06-28 16:20               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20160628162028.GA27518-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28 17:05                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                     ` <20160628170549.GE3584-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28 19:12                       ` Steve Wise [this message]
2016-06-28 21:14                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                           ` <20160628211441.GA5786-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-28 21:26                             ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                               ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0663DA-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29  5:19                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                   ` <20160629051956.GG3584-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 18:30                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                       ` <20160629183042.GC17031-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-30 18:17                                         ` Liran Liss
     [not found]                                           ` <HE1PR05MB14189E07EE8EE458E0CCD4DAB1240-eBadYZ65MZ87O8BmmlM1zNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-30 19:07                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-07-19 19:57                                         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                           ` <babed655-b61f-e97b-2351-b1ea6692b18d-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-19 20:09                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-06-28 21:18                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20160628211858.GB5786-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29  5:15                           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                             ` <20160629051507.GF3584-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 17:07                               ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                                 ` <1467220072.8638.166.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 18:59                                   ` Yishai Hadas
2016-06-29 12:09                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                             ` <20160629120920.GA24151-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 18:34                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20160629183414.GD17031-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 18:46                                   ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 18:57                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                       ` <20160629185757.GA17839-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 19:15                                         ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 19:21                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB06699A-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 19:25                                               ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 20:34                                                 ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                   ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0669F5-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 20:44                                                     ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 20:54                                                     ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 21:40                                                       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                                         ` <1d03eaca-142a-3912-badf-aa9b14f6b2f6-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 22:03                                                           ` Steve Wise
2016-06-29 19:27                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20160629192730.GA18394-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-29 20:40                                               ` Doug Ledford
2016-06-28 13:26           ` Yishai Hadas

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