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From: "Steve Wise" <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: "'Hefty,
	Sean'" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"'Dalessandro,
	Dennis'"
	<dennis.dalessandro-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Parav Pandit' <parav-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	'Leon Romanovsky' <leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	'Idan Burstein' <idanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] Support out of order data placement
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:57:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <085201d2e3be$81070ce0$831526a0$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142BEC-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

> > > When transmitter and receiver is enabled to do so, as I described in
> > overview section of Documentation, it helps
> > > (a) to avoid retransmission - improves network utilization
> > > (b) reduces latency due to timers not kicking in.
> >
> > Yes those benefits are clear. I see no reason why it shouldn't always
> > be
> > done is my point. Application shouldn't have to care and there is no
> > need to make this an additional flag.
> 
> The app cares when data from write 2 can be written at the target before data
> from write 1, especially if the writes target the same memory buffers.  (At least I
> think this is the intent of exposing this to the app.)
> 
> Note that the provider can always provide stronger ordering than what the app
> needs.

My understanding is that IB or IW apps should never assume ingress write or read response data is _placed_ into local memory in the order it was transmitted from the peer.  The only guarantee is that the _indication_ of the arrived data preserve the sender's ordering.  However, I'm thinking that there are applications out there that spin polling local memory that is the target of a write or read response and assume the last bit of that memory will get written last...

 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-12 20:57 UTC|newest]

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2017-06-12  6:49 [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] Support out of order data placement Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20170612064918.12510-1-leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 1/3] IB/core: Expose out of order data placement capability Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 2/3] IB/uverbs: Enable user space programs to use out of order placement Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 3/3] IB/mlx5: Support out of order data placement Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12 15:28   ` [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] " Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1497281280.2770.1.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:19       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]         ` <VI1PR0502MB3008478FC7C70D1F398FE2B2D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170612162917.GA11993-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:42               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                 ` <VI1PR0502MB3008EA451DA9ECEBECE27362D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:43                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170612164343.GA12435-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:53                       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                         ` <VI1PR0502MB300831A1560531E67B29589DD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20170612165536.GB12435-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:11                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB30089EDC828A142338B1EE06D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20170612171436.GA12739-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:28                                       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                         ` <VI1PR0502MB3008304F8465C19ACCFF3D68D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:32                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20170612173221.GA13302-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:46                                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB30081FD74492E97043F45BD8D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:51                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 21:09                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                 ` <6747e257-67b0-a364-be21-04f73ef82ffe-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:32                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB30080B672B80836FF0A328DCD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:41                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20170612214135.GB30578-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:59                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB30087762738A4E02A1DA24D0D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:07                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170612220730.GA32510-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:16                                                   ` Parav Pandit
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2017-06-12 22:21                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 22:19                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                         ` <475e1873-e842-ecb9-d260-34777da57e51-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:54                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB3008B7FE60CAB3BD49907A1BD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 23:44                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                 ` <d3a436a0-9ace-b11a-2e4c-387fc575877e-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 23:59                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB3008E04612EED6BC83F37115D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  0:11                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                         ` <fbdcf05b-ccd8-bd9c-c9c8-86f373303250-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  0:36                                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB30089271EB542493AA58060CD1C20-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  1:30                                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                 ` <fb11f261-b80b-f71a-8076-204706267798-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 19:17                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-23 16:03                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-19  5:33                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB3008D488FEE8A7104A7B0A7CD1A60-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-19 17:12                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20170719171211.GB25714-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-20 15:06                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-22  2:29                                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                         ` <142c2fed-baa5-1295-1458-be765c94b957-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  4:50                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB300886ED1B5B1363B55F53F0D1A50-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  5:03                                                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <e5cee768-586c-516a-6056-ea4a44f89134-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  5:32                                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
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2017-07-22 14:51                                                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <4444a96a-c1e6-ad33-204a-680982e19bfe-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 15:11                                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-22 16:09                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20170722160939.GA30007-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 17:32                                                                                               ` Parav Pandit
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2017-07-22 21:27                                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <20170722212706.GA14714-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 18:14                                                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
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2017-08-01 19:00                                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <20170801190052.GA31205-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 22:06                                                                                                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB3008D65E9568764C4A781230D1B30-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 23:37                                                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <20170801233754.GB10239-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02  0:30                                                                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
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2017-08-02  2:48                                                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-27  9:47                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-06-12 16:29           ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]             ` <1497284956.2770.8.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:51               ` Parav Pandit
2017-06-12 17:18   ` Steve Wise
2017-06-12 17:37     ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]       ` <VI1PR0502MB3008CE85A4F274886B74DF2BD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 19:06         ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]           ` <3fa7a4b5-5c19-8c6a-d78b-93219a9be888-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 19:19             ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]               ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142A9B-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:14                 ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                   ` <VI1PR0502MB300885A1DD676E1649CDB268D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:35                     ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                       ` <b5279c09-027f-e374-ffde-7f236c52322c-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:46                         ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                           ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142BEC-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:57                             ` Steve Wise [this message]
2017-06-12 21:02                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20170612210259.GA25652-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:18                                   ` Steve Wise
2017-06-12 21:22                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 21:53                                     ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                       ` <VI1PR0502MB30082486BC3B1669FE48764ED1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:57                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                           ` <20170612215741.GA31693-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:00                                             ` Parav Pandit
2017-06-13  5:29                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12 20:41                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142BC8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:25                         ` Parav Pandit

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