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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Roland Dreier <rdreier-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	general-ZwoEplunGu1OwGhvXhtEPSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org,
	akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [ofa-general] Re: [GIT PULL] please pull ummunotify
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:43:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253198593.14935.20.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adafxalejiq.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 07:24 -0700, Roland Dreier wrote:
> > Anton Blanchard suggested a while back that this might be integrated
>  > with perf-counters, since perf-counters already does mmap() tracking and
>  > also provides events through an mmap()'ed buffer.
>  > 
>  > Has anybody looked into this?
> 
> I didn't see the original suggestion.  Certainly hooking in to existing
> infrastructure for user/kernel communication would be good.
> 
> The fit doesn't seem great to me, although I am rather naive about perf
> counters.  The problem that ummunotify is trying to solve is to let an
> app say 'for these 1000 address ranges (that possibly only cover a small
> part of my total address space), please let me know when the mappings
> are invalidated for any reason'.
> 
> So getting those events in the kernel is no problem -- we have the MMU
> notifier hooks that tell us exactly what we need to know.  The issue is
> purely the way userspace registers interest in address ranges, and how
> to kernel returns the events.
> 
> For perf counters it seems that one would have to create a new counter
> for each address range... is that correct?  And also I don't know if
> perf counter has an analog for the fast path optimization that
> ummunotify provides via a mmap'ed generation counter (a quick way for
> userspace to see 'nothing happened since last time you checked').

You're right in that perf-counter currently doesn't provide a way to
specify these ranges, we simply track all mmap() traffic.

The thing is that mmap() data is basically a side channel. For your
usage you'd basically have to open a NOP counter and only observe the
mmap data.

We could look at ways of adding ranges..

We do have a means of detecting if new data is available, we keep a data
head index. If that moves, you've got new stuff.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-17 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-11  4:38 [GIT PULL] please pull ummunotify Roland Dreier
     [not found] ` <aday6omhz9d.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  5:56   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-11  6:03     ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
     [not found]       ` <adatyzahvbm.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  6:11         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]           ` <20090911150552.DB68.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11 16:42             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-09-11  6:15       ` Brice Goglin
     [not found]         ` <4AA9EAF7.5010401-MZpvjPyXg2s@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  6:21           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-11  6:22           ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-11  6:40             ` [ofa-general] " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20090911064019.GZ4973-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11 16:58                 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                   ` <adaljklifkt.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-15  7:03                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-15  8:27                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-15 12:38                       ` Jeff Squyres
2009-09-16 16:30   ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-16 16:40     ` [ofa-general] " Linus Torvalds
2009-09-17 11:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-17 14:24     ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
     [not found]       ` <adafxalejiq.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-17 14:32         ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]           ` <adaab0tej5c.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-17 14:49             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-17 15:03               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                 ` <adazl8td35u.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-17 15:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-17 15:45                   ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                     ` <adatyz1d17q.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-18 11:50                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-29 17:13                       ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <20090929171332.GD14405-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-30  9:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                             ` <20090930094456.GD24621-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-30 16:02                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20090930160232.GZ22310-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-12 18:19                                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                     ` <20091012181944.GF17138-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-12 19:30                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-12 20:20                                         ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                           ` <20091012202046.GA7648-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13  4:05                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-13  6:40                                               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                                 ` <20091013064006.GC9470-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 16:27                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-13  5:43                                           ` Brice Goglin
     [not found]                                             ` <4AD41373.8010108-MZpvjPyXg2s@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13  6:38                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-09-30 17:06                               ` Roland Dreier
2009-10-02 16:32                               ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                 ` <ada3a61rc3j.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-02 20:45                                   ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-07 22:34                                   ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                     ` <ada3a5uq1dk.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-12 17:33                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-17 14:43         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-09-15 11:34 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]   ` <20090915113434.GF1328-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-15 14:57     ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
     [not found]       ` <ada7hw0gsqz.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-28 20:49         ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]           ` <20090928204923.GA1960-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-28 21:40             ` Jason Gunthorpe

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