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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Sean Hefty <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "'David J. Wilder'"
	<dwilder-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	rdreier-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	pradeep-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	ewg-ZwoEplunGu1OwGhvXhtEPSCwEArCW2h5@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] link-local address fix for rdma_resolve_addr
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:19:39 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091022011939.GW14520@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4803112A5B7A4953B62ABAFD1BBD9881-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 05:40:30PM -0700, Sean Hefty wrote:

> >Even so, it still seems OK to me:
> >
> >Path:
> > addr4_resolve_remote
> >  $ ip route get 10.0.0.11 from 192.168.122.1
> >    local 10.0.0.11 from 192.168.122.1 dev lo
> >  srcIP = 192.168.122.1
> >  rdma_translate_ip(dst_ip = 10.0.0.11)
> >   rdma_copy_addr("eth0");
> >    src_dev_addr = eth0.dev_addr  (ie GID of 10.0.0.11)
> >  memcpy(dst_dev_addr = src_dev_addr) (ie GID of 10.0.0.11)
> >
> >So everthing is bound to the GID of 10.0.0.11 which matches the listen
> >of 10.0.0.11, which seems OK.
> 
> The source could have called rdma_bind_addr(192.168.122.1) prior to calling
> rdma_resolve_addr().  (DAPL does this.)  This would have returned a different
> RDMA device than binding to 10.0.0.11.  The client app could have allocated
> resources on that device, but the CM REQ will carry the gid/lid of the other
> device.  The endpoints won't be able to communicate.

That is very difficult to fit into the semantics the IP routing
model uses :( And it looks like an API problem in DAPL :(

So, I see now, you are proposing that in this case the connection
attempt to be routed through the network and not looped back..  I
actually have a big problem with that, ignoring a 'lo' entry in a
routing table is very much not IP like and not a good idea. That
should be respected..

I guess I'd much rather see that one situation return EHOSTUNREACH or
something.

But, I suppose you are going to tell me that Intel MPI uses DAPL to
loopback connect to other processes on the same node, and relies on
this? :( :( :(

Sigh. Anyhow, lets not get side tracked. It seems to me, the easy way
out for David's approach is to simply check if the device is already
bound via rdma_bind() and if so force it to that device no matter what
the routing table lookup returns. Can you suggest a reliable way to
make that check?

[What happens now if I do this:
 rdma_bind(10.0.0.11)
 rdma_resolve_addr(src = 192.168.122.1 dst = 10.0.0.11)
Does the cma_bind path check that it is already bound and give out an
error? too late for me to check]

Once the cma_bind for rdma_resolve_addr is moved into the
addr_resolve_remote function then people using the API without calling
bind on the client path will get sane IP-like behavior.

> Yes, it's weird, and may not be optimal, but if a source address is
> explicitly given, then its mapping to a specific RDMA device should
> be honored.

Remember, on Linux the IP is *not* attached to a device, it is part of
the host itself. So the idea that a source address somehow specifies a
RDMA device does not fit into the Linux IP networking model.

Unfortunately the definition of rdma_bind kinda bakes this mismatched
model into the API :(

Truth be told, to fit the Linux IP model, the RDMA CM should have
provided exactly only two ways to bind a cm_id to a specific device -
rdma_accept and rdma_resolve_addr.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-22  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-19 22:47 [PATCH] link-local address fix for rdma_resolve_addr David J. Wilder
     [not found] ` <1255992430.12075.7.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 23:43   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20091019234329.GC9643-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-19 23:47       ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]         ` <676AB781CD644CC28E1AD4951EA4EEF8-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-20  0:33           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20091020003344.GA14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 22:30               ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                 ` <1256164230.12075.31.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 23:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20091021230845.GR14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 21:12                       ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                         ` <1256245942.12075.46.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 22:02                           ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                             ` <660D538F30E647F3AE1E5E6C1ACBE882-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 18:22                               ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                                 ` <1256667738.16192.1.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 18:58                                   ` [PATCH] librdmacm/cmatose: add support for ipv6 Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                     ` <EE6710D62B854E4FBA82524DEB84E8DC-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 19:42                                       ` Sean Hefty
2009-10-27 21:50                                       ` David J. Wilder
2009-10-21 23:17                   ` [PATCH] link-local address fix for rdma_resolve_addr Sean Hefty
     [not found]                     ` <9D257695083141E79685CB2B260D7D7C-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 23:36                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20091021233639.GS14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-21 23:46                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-21 23:58                           ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                             ` <BFF5CD71FFA74BF09A2EED5F3319F370-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  0:28                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20091022002846.GU14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  0:40                                   ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                     ` <4803112A5B7A4953B62ABAFD1BBD9881-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  1:19                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                                         ` <20091022011939.GW14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  5:24                                           ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                             ` <60E9443821EE4FFA90448DF5CC1368A8-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  6:25                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20091022062531.GB26003-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22  6:49                                                   ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                                     ` <B1D32A650C2F400E92AFC4909D8880A0-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 16:47                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20091022164717.GG26003-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 17:59                                                           ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                                             ` <A03920DE5BAE4309BAFC1B6471AE928C-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 18:22                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20091022182221.GZ14520-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 18:31                                                                   ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]                                                                     ` <60293EE44E7243B59C41498F20D558A0-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-22 18:40                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-25 11:52                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                                     ` <4AE43BED.3090405-smomgflXvOZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-25 20:03                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20091025200332.GN26003-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 13:01                                                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                                             ` <4AE6EF44.5040004-smomgflXvOZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-27 17:14                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20091027171403.GP26003-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-28 14:33                                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-13 22:09 David J. Wilder
     [not found] ` <1255471781.14513.7.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-13 23:12   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20091013231234.GK5191-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 16:23       ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]         ` <1255537437.14513.28.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 17:01           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20091014170155.GL5191-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 17:30               ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                 ` <1255541405.5111.14.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 17:40                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20091014174017.GM5191-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-15 19:27                       ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                         ` <1255634841.5111.40.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-15 21:32                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20091015213205.GV5191-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-16 18:54                               ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                                 ` <1255719280.14675.30.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-16 19:28                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-10-14 19:33               ` David J. Wilder
     [not found]                 ` <1255548798.5111.24.camel-XfwDJb4SXxnMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2009-10-14 20:09                   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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