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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Eli Cohen <eli-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeff Squyres <jsquyres-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: RDMAoE verbs questions
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:33:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091202173314.GP1966@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01D647E2-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 12:38:31PM +0200, Liran Liss wrote:
> 
> > So? There are substantial semantic differences for *all* non-rdmacm
> > applications. Even common ones like OpenMPI. You propose to ignore them?
> 
> On the contrary! Any application that *does* care what the link layer is
> can look up a new field in port_attr (rather than a new node transport
> type).
> Applications that don't, both old and new, can continue as normal - no
> changes to the code are required.

Existing apps rely on transport_type == IBV_TRANSPORT_IB to indicate IB
management is present. There are many examples of this.

The art of API compatability is to not break existing old apps, so you
don't get to change the meaning of transport_type == IBV_TRANSPORT_IB
to mean 'it is only IB verbs like'. That breaks the API.

Adding a new field to port_attr preserves functionality but not
compatability. I hope you understand the difference.

> So, all relevant apps will work great with either IB or RDMAoE, in a
> transparent manner.

No, they won't. They will see transport_type == IBV_TRANSPORT_IB and
attempt to do PR queries to the SM. That won't work on RDMAoE.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-12-02 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <F57121538EA0C94F86018DDD40ADA1D101A4E9A6@mtiexch01.mti.com>
     [not found] ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01CBE494@mtlexch01.mtl.com>
     [not found]   ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01CBE494-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 16:22     ` RDMAoE verbs questions Liran Liss
     [not found]       ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01D0D6F9-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 16:27         ` Sean Hefty
     [not found]           ` <44B4931AF8354AF3BABCCA052150D2BA-Zpru7NauK7drdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 17:00             ` Liran Liss
     [not found]               ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01D0D792-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-02  8:08                 ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                   ` <000001ca732d$1f99b4d0$5ecd1e70$@com>
2009-12-02 10:49                     ` Liran Liss
2009-12-02 10:59                     ` Or Gerlitz
2009-12-01 17:46         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20091201174604.GO1966-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-02 10:38             ` Liran Liss
     [not found]               ` <2ED289D4E09FBD4D92D911E869B97FDD01D647E2-ia22CT07NJfiMCgWhms8HQC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-02 17:33                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <20091202173314.GP1966-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-03 18:26                     ` Liran Liss
2009-11-24 23:23 Jeff Squyres
     [not found] ` <209ECE49-3AB9-4E62-B825-54E474321FA6-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25  0:11   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20091125001136.GP6188-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25  2:12       ` Jeff Squyres
     [not found]         ` <DD0B6BCA-5892-4CA9-8F5D-87C6CC1189DC-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25  4:52           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20091125045244.GJ1966-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 12:01               ` Jeff Squyres
2009-11-25 14:04       ` Tziporet Koren
     [not found]         ` <4B0D3982.2040408-VPRAkNaXOzVS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 14:30           ` Jeff Squyres
     [not found]             ` <7127F20E-2307-492D-B929-A6ACA5A74D14-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 14:41               ` Eli Cohen
2009-11-25 17:39                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20091125173917.GK1966-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 20:58                     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-30 13:34       ` Eli Cohen
2009-11-30 14:03         ` Jeff Squyres
     [not found]           ` <5A90523D-56AE-4675-AA39-B6876FB32999-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 14:28             ` Eli Cohen
2009-12-01 21:00               ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-30 17:21         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-11-30 18:50         ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]           ` <adaiqcrx2xx.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-30 19:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20091130190345.GV6188-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-05  4:03                 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                   ` <ada1vjaukx8.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-05  4:16                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2009-12-07 17:25                     ` Eli Cohen
2009-12-09 19:06                       ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                         ` <adak4wwrmpq.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-09 21:48                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20091209214843.GM6188-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-09 22:31                               ` Eli Cohen
2009-11-30 20:01             ` Todd Rimmer
     [not found]               ` <5AEC2602AE03EB46BFC16C6B9B200DA81691763FEA-e4KNYiSEog6Xx9kJd3VG2h2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-01 16:46                 ` Eli Cohen
2009-12-01 14:42             ` Eli Cohen
2009-11-25  7:25   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <4B0CDBEC.1030203-smomgflXvOZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 11:52       ` Jeff Squyres
     [not found]         ` <10904370-1D66-4013-BB3F-0F4B5EE581EE-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 14:59           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]             ` <4B0D4660.5060701-smomgflXvOZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-25 20:13               ` Pavel Shamis (Pasha)
     [not found]                 ` <4B0D8FD2.9000702-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-26  7:26                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                     ` <4B0E2DA7.7060809-smomgflXvOZWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-26  9:00                       ` Pavel Shamis (Pasha)
     [not found]                         ` <4B0E43BA.6070700-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-26 11:16                           ` Or Gerlitz
2009-11-30 13:54               ` Jeff Squyres
2009-12-02 12:12       ` Eli Cohen

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