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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] IB/core: Add Core Capability flags to ib_device
Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 15:48:55 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150508214855.GA3917@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCD78C-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, May 08, 2015 at 08:56:16PM +0000, Hefty, Sean wrote:

> > If you had a device that supported iWARP and RoCE on the same physical
> > link layer, then yes, the app would need a means of saying which
> > transport to use in addition to the type of QP to establish.
> 
> Ah - got it now.  And I agree, there should be some way to specify
> this at the QP level.

Yes, the only way out is to specify on a per QP basis the addressing
and protocol/transport/whatever thing. Socket uses the AF,SOCK,PROTO
tuple to specify this information. We can probably productively use a
similar breakdown:

AF_IB,SOCK_RC,PROTO_IBA  // InfiniBand
AF_OPA,SOCK_RC,PROTO_IBA // Future 32 bit LID OPB 'InfiniBand'
AF_ETH,SOCK_RC,PROTO_IBA // RoCEv1
AF_INET,SOCK_RC,PROTO_IBA // InfiniBand or RoCEv2, depending on the Link Layer
AF_ETH,SOCK_RC,PROTO_USNIC
AF_INET,SOCK_RC,PROTO_USNIC
AF_INET,SOCK_RC,PROTO_IWARP

The expectation would be that any SOCK,PROTO combination can
'interoperate' with any AF combination - which is true with the above
examples, ie with the right magic NAT hardware RoCEv2/v1/IB/(OPA?) can
all interwork at the BTH layer.

Which is to also say, it also unambiguously implies which standard
defines the subtle verbs varietions that the app has to cope with.

Incompatible AH's can not be used with the wrong type of QP, the CM
layers would auto create QPs with the correct type to reflect how the
CM process was run, etc.

But Michael's patches are still an improvement, ie a RoCE + iWarp port
would still have the cap_mad as true and would still have to create a
QP1 interface, which I think is captured OK. The CM side probably
explodes if a port is both iWarp and RoCE, but that is alot of work to
fix anyhow..

I think we have to tackle the addressing problem as part of the RoCEv2
stuff, just burying all this in a qp index is really horrible.

Realistically, today, if a RoCE/iWarp driver appeared then it would
have to present to the system as two RDMA devices.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-08 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-04  6:14 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Add Core Capability Bits to use in Management helpers ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found] ` <1430720099-32512-1-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04  6:14   ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] IB/core: Add Core Capability flags to ib_device ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1430720099-32512-2-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 14:41       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]         ` <1430750492.2407.9.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 16:40           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCA17C-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 17:38               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                 ` <1430761111.2407.85.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 18:26                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCA2F1-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 19:40                       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                         ` <1430768425.2407.143.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 21:07                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20150504210741.GA20839-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 19:59                               ` Liran Liss
2015-05-04 20:21                       ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
2015-05-05 19:51                       ` Liran Liss
     [not found]                         ` <HE1PR05MB1418DF0669B6E6CABE1D9F1EB1D10-eBadYZ65MZ87O8BmmlM1zNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 20:22                           ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
     [not found]                             ` <20BA79B2-9DA5-49B3-8455-BD4021CB882C-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 20:29                               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCAEFD-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 14:25                                   ` Liran Liss
2015-05-09  3:32                               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                 ` <1431142328.2407.488.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 22:19                                   ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
     [not found]                                     ` <CCC397F5-31B6-4A35-94E0-7EAAE6C4803F-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 22:39                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150511223930.GA15628-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 17:41                                           ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
     [not found]                                             ` <DC760F33-F704-4763-AEA3-6DE9016D0687-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 18:08                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-11  6:42                               ` ira.weiny
     [not found]                                 ` <20150511064232.GA3042-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-11 22:26                                   ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
     [not found]                                     ` <D72B89F6-B333-4DC2-9BA7-CB45EBC31843-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12  2:13                                       ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                         ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E1107C20E-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-12 17:56                                           ` Dave Goodell (dgoodell)
2015-05-05 19:27               ` Liran Liss
     [not found]                 ` <HE1PR05MB1418E58A6EB92D92B78C76A0B1D10-eBadYZ65MZ87O8BmmlM1zNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 18:56                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1431111412.2407.463.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 20:06                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCD719-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 20:30                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                             ` <1431117051.2407.468.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 20:56                               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCD78C-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-08 21:48                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                                     ` <20150508214855.GA3917-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-13 20:41                                       ` Liran Liss
2015-05-04 16:42       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCA192-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 16:48           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]             ` <1430758097.2407.59.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 16:53               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCA1D9-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 16:56                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1430758566.2407.62.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 17:25                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FCA217-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 17:31                           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E11069818-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 17:34                               ` Hefty, Sean
2015-05-04 18:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150504183657.GA20586-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 22:32           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150504223234.GB10115-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 23:16               ` ira.weiny
     [not found]                 ` <20150504231622.GE10115-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 23:52                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-04  6:14   ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] IB/core: Replace query_protocol callback with Core Capability flags check ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-05-04  6:14   ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] IB/core: Convert cap_ib_mad to core_cap_flags bit mask ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1430720099-32512-4-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 16:49       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-05-04 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150504184610.GB20586-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-04 22:43           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150504224342.GD10115-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05  8:00               ` Michael Wang
2015-05-05  8:26           ` Michael Wang
2015-05-04  6:14   ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] IB/core: Add rdma_dev_max_mad_size call ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-05-04  6:14   ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] IB/core: Add cap_opa_mad helper using RDMA_CORE_CAP_OPA_MAD flag ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w

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