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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Caitlin Bestler <cait@asomi.com>
Cc: Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@sandisk.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"sagig@dev.mellanox.co.il" <sagig@dev.mellanox.co.il>,
	"axboe@fb.com" <axboe@fb.com>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/9] IB: add a proper completion queue abstraction
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:00:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151124000011.GA9301@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <B24F4DDE-709A-4D2D-8B26-4E83325DBB1A@asomi.com>

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 03:30:42PM -0800, Caitlin Bestler wrote:
>    The receive completion can be safely assumed to indicate transmit
>    completion over a reliable connection unless your peer has gone
>    completely bonkers and is replying to a command that it did not
>    receive.

Perhaps iWarp is different and does specify this ordering but IB does
not.

The issue with IB is how the ACK protocol is designed. There is not
strong ordering between ACKs and data transfers. A HCA can send
ACK,DATA and the network could drop the ACK. The recevier side does
not know the ACK was lost and goes ahead to process DATA.

Since only ACK advances the sendq and DATA advances the recvq it is
trivial to get a case where the recvq is advanced with a reply while
the sendq continues to wait for the ACK to be resent.

Further IB allows ACK coalescing and has no rules for how an ACK is
placed. It is entirely valid for a HCA to RECV,REPLY,ACK - for
instance.

>    I actually had a bug in an early iWARP emulation where the simulated
>    peer, because it was simulated, responded
>    instantly. The result was a TCP segment that both acked the
>    transmission *and* contained the reply. The bug was
>    that the code processed the reception before the transmission ack,
>    causing the receive completion to be placed
>    on the completion queue before transmit completion.

I don't know if iWARP has the same lax ordering as IB, but certainly,
what you describe is legal for IB verbs to do, and our kernel ULPs
have to cope with it.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-13 13:46 add a proper completion queue abstraction Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 1/9] move blk_iopoll to limit and make it generally available Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-2-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 15:23     ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]       ` <CAJ3xEMgj2ycv61K38ZOowTRbrri_UhQgBcaKT0ZnnMHiBrmL5A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-14  7:02         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <20151114070200.GA27738-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15  8:48             ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]               ` <564846E9.9070301-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15  9:04                 ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                   ` <CAJ3xEMgvttM1D3bePz0CWhZAZ3gCSQsf_qgmq9Ny4gzK5d0bXw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15 13:16                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-15 12:51                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 19:19     ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-14  7:02       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-17 17:16         ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-17 17:27           ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-18 13:58           ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 2/9] IB: add a proper completion queue abstraction Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-15  9:40   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]     ` <564852F2.5080602-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15 12:55       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20151115125501.GB2218-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15 13:21           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-3-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 18:25     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]       ` <20151113182513.GB21808-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 19:57         ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-13 22:06           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20151113220636.GA32133-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-14  7:13               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                 ` <20151114071344.GE27738-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-23 20:37                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-11-23 21:04                     ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-23 21:28                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-11-23 21:54                         ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-23 22:18                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-11-23 22:33                             ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-23 23:06                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <B24F4DDE-709A-4D2D-8B26-4E83325DBB1A@asomi.com>
2015-11-24  0:00                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                                     ` <20151124000011.GA9301-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24  0:34                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                         ` <5653B0AD.7090402-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24  0:40                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-11-24  2:35                                       ` Caitlin Bestler
     [not found]                                         ` <5653CCF0.7050501-DpaxOq6QOWMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24  7:03                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20151124070301.GA23597-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 12:52                                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-11-14  7:08         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-23 20:01           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20151123200136.GA5640-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-23 20:57               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-17 17:52     ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]       ` <564B697A.2020601-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18  7:55         ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]           ` <564C2F01.6020407-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 18:20             ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-20 10:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-20 16:50                 ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-22  9:51                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-22 10:13                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                       ` <20151122101308.GA12189-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 10:36                         ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                           ` <56519A90.5010502-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 13:23                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                               ` <20151122132352.GA14154-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-22 14:57                                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-22 16:55                                   ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-18 14:00         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 3/9] IB: add a helper to safely drain a QP Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-4-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 16:16     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]       ` <56460CC4.3030001-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-14  7:05         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-18 11:32     ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]       ` <564C61C3.3050307-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 14:06         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <20151118140645.GI18820-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 15:21             ` Steve Wise
2015-11-15  9:34   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]     ` <564851BB.1020004-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 16:38       ` Steve Wise
     [not found]         ` <564A067B.8030504-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 18:30           ` Steve Wise
2015-11-16 18:37             ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]               ` <564A2270.1040004-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-16 19:03                 ` Steve Wise
2015-11-17  8:54                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-23 10:28                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-23 10:35                     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-23 14:33                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                       ` <5652EC00.8010705-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-23 14:48                         ` Steve Wise
2015-11-23 14:44                     ` Steve Wise
2015-11-17 17:06       ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]         ` <564B5E7D.9030309-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18  7:59           ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found] ` <1447422410-20891-1-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13 13:46   ` [PATCH 4/9] srpt: chain RDMA READ/WRITE requests Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-18  1:17     ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-18  9:15       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-11-18 16:32         ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]           ` <564CA83B.4060403-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-20 10:20             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <564BD1AF.60200-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 14:06         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 5/9] srpt: use the new CQ API Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-6-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-17 18:22     ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-17 19:38   ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <564B8248.7050407-XdAiOPVOjttBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-18 14:03       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 6/9] srp: " Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-7-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-17 19:56     ` Bart Van Assche
2015-11-18 14:03       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 7/9] IB/iser: Use a dedicated descriptor for login Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-8-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15  9:14     ` Or Gerlitz
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 8/9] IB/iser: Use helper for container_of Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-13 13:46 ` [PATCH 9/9] IB/iser: Convert to CQ abstraction Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <1447422410-20891-10-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-15  9:21     ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found] <20151124100839.48b52fb35c6f209c51bccbb9807b6df0.f113bf890f.wbe@email24.secureserver.net>
     [not found] ` <20151124100839.48b52fb35c6f209c51bccbb9807b6df0.f113bf890f.wbe-wCzC33v8tqnShzhksYgB+AejPw4fNl8p@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-24 17:52   ` [PATCH 2/9] IB: add a proper completion queue abstraction Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <56552132.7090701@asomi.com>
     [not found]       ` <56552132.7090701-DpaxOq6QOWMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-25  6:21         ` Jason Gunthorpe

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