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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Dalessandro,
	Dennis"
	<dennis.dalessandro-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:38:25 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160419213825.GA18297@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0439B0-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 08:44:50PM +0000, Hefty, Sean wrote:
> > Right - and the RDMA uAPI has always had an integrated driver-bypass
> > channel as part of the verb uAPI calls, extending that to allow for
> > new-driver-specific calls seems very natural.
> 
> I remain unconvinced that having the equivalent of:
> 
> 1 open unrelated-interface
> 2 ioctl open-file
> 3 close unrelated-interface
> 
> is desirable.

I think you should explain what you see as the down side.

So far the counter arguments seem terribly weak:
 - The file is called /dev/uverbs0 so everything in it must be 'verbs'
   and anything else new needs a new name (the name has no functional
   purpose, compatability requires some sacrifices)
 - Our current kapi requires a driver provide all the verbs before
   it can create uverbs0 (we could fix this)
 - The driver-specific ioctls have nothing to do with the subsystem
   and shouldn't be a part of it (then get the code out of
   drivers/infiniband)

I've already outlined the tangible advantages from the whole system
perspective on discoverability/security/deployment/etc.

If you don't like the sub-fd then advocate for driver-specific ioctl
on the main fd, I don't much care. <shrug>

> If you want to push for a generic mechanism for mapping NIC
> resources into user space, then separate that from the device
> implementation.

I don't understand this sentence, is it another shot at the fact the
RDMA device specific cdev is called 'uverbs' ??

Seriously, every single new char dev that requires the same security
context as uverbs (ie access from unprivledged users) is a *huge pain*
to deploy out into the world, sysadmins need to be trained, distros
need to be updated, orchestration stuff needs fixing, etc. It is
simply not a sane path for our subsystem to require a multitude of
these cdevs.

If /dev/hfiX was to remain as root.root 0600 in the typical
deployment, like most driver-specific cdevs then I'd be alot less
concerned. But it isn't, and the garbage that was in there (like
eeprom writing!?!) is totally *insane* for an unprivileged fd.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-19 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-14 15:41 [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found] ` <20160414153727.6387.96381.stgit-9QXIwq+3FY+1XWohqUldA0EOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 15:41   ` [PATCH 1/7] IB/hfi1: Export drivers user sw version via sysfs Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-18 13:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 2/7] IB/hfi1: Remove unused user command Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-18 13:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 3/7] IB/hfi1: Add ioctl() interface for user commands Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:41 ` [PATCH 4/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write(), use ioctl() for user cmds Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 5/7] IB/hfi1: Add trace message in user IOCTL handling Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 6/7] IB/hfi1: Consolidate IOCTL defines Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 15:42 ` [PATCH 7/7] IB/hfi1: Move eprom to its own device Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 16:45 ` [PATCH 0/7] IB/hfi1: Remove write() and use ioctl() for user access Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 17:48   ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]     ` <20160414174830.GA11641-no5AT4YuGWKtqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160414180540.GA12554-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:42           ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]             ` <20160414184200.GA10416-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:56               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20160414185659.GB12997-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 20:01                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB041C34-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 20:35                       ` Woodruff, Robert J
2016-04-14 21:27                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20160414212702.GA14137-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15  0:02                           ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]                             ` <20160415000242.GA18400-no5AT4YuGWKtqXYlAKuG4QC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15  0:30                               ` Hefty, Sean
2016-04-15  4:41                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20160415044124.GA16805-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 17:30                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0422AE-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 18:18                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20160415181811.GA22322-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 21:04                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB042530-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 21:14                                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 22:03                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160415220340.GB24204-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-16 16:22                                                   ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-18 17:55                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                       ` <20160418175559.GC13865-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:15                                                         ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                                                           ` <20160418181535.GB7596-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:24                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                               ` <20160418182453.GA14930-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19  1:36                                                                 ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20160419013649.GA28612-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 17:35                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-14 21:08                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB041C90-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 21:40                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-15  4:01     ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 16:17       ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-15 17:30         ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-15 17:34           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-15 17:44             ` Woodruff, Robert J
2016-04-15 21:03               ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]             ` <20160415173401.GA10868-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 17:46               ` Hefty, Sean
2016-04-15 21:23             ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]               ` <20160415212328.GF10689-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-15 23:28                 ` Ira Weiny
2016-04-16  6:09                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                     ` <20160416060940.GB6349-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-16 15:29                       ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-15 23:37               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-16  6:00                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-16 19:19                   ` Al Viro
     [not found]                     ` <20160416191917.GY25498-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 12:00                       ` Dennis Dalessandro
2016-04-14 17:52   ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]     ` <20160414175243.GA9310-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 18:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-20 20:36       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160420203616.GA28991-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-22 18:38           ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]             ` <20160422183844.GB21996-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 15:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]   ` <20160414164550.GC6247-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 13:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <20160418130909.GD11508-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 17:40         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20160418174047.GB13865-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 18:24             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-19  3:45               ` Ira Weiny
     [not found]                 ` <20160419034548.GG27515-MvMViLc3Pe+yjJhlop0iC9h3ngVCH38I@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 18:40                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]               ` <20160418182411.GA4904-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 17:38                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20160419173817.GF20844-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 20:44                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0439B0-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-19 21:38                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2016-04-20 20:46                         ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                           ` <5717EAC1.6020602-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 13:05                             ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                               ` <571F6795.8020808-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-26 15:21                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-27  5:21                                 ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                   ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E22EC6A98-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 14:45                                     ` Doug Ledford

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