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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Matan Barak <matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Majd Dibbiny <majd-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Bodong Wang <bodong-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V1 for-next 1/2] IB/core: Report LSO capabilities when querying device
Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 14:05:07 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160509200507.GA23911@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB04A390-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 07:11:23PM +0000, Hefty, Sean wrote:
> > > An IBTA process? How would that be relevant here?
> > 
> > What do you mean? IBTA is the only multi-vendor body left working on
> > standardizing the hardware specification for verbs.
> > 
> > These various recent patches are adding new hardware features to
> > verbs.
> > 
> > If you want hardware knowledgeable people to help, then you need to go
> > to the forums they are active in.
> > 
> > This isn't just a software exercise.
> 
> Previous changes to the uABI (for example, XRC) were not accepted
> until they were standardized by the IBTA.  An exception that I'm
> aware of are the flow specs.

We need to decide as a community what we want to do here, because this
uncertain process is getting tiring for everyone.

The Collab Summit discussions ended with a general consensus that some
things would go to the driver-specific channel, while hardware
behavior related to the common uAPI would go through at least a
multi-vendor sign off process - like IBTA.

We didn't talk about how to expose them to apps in userspace once they
were exposed through the kernel.

It is pretty obvious the current 'process' isn't working. This new
idea that the common uAPI should just be a union of every vendor's
unique hardware ideas has not resulted in patches being merged any
faster; and I think the quality of the API is not as good now..

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-09 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-27 14:04 [PATCH V1 for-next 0/2] Add support for reporting LSO capabilities Matan Barak
     [not found] ` <1461765892-1285-1-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 14:04   ` [PATCH V1 for-next 1/2] IB/core: Report LSO capabilities when querying device Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1461765892-1285-2-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 15:46       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]         ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1604271043540.20042-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 21:54           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB046AB1-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-28  8:02               ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                 ` <5721C3AD.8050407-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-28 16:35                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB046FD8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-01  8:31                       ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                         ` <d8f8d6bf-9fad-fcc9-5a15-2b2423349c26-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-02 17:20                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0480DB-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-02 17:50                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20160502175011.GB32096-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-02 18:13                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB04816A-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-02 19:06                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20160502190619.GB32613-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-04 16:49                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB048E47-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-04 18:11                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20160504181135.GA15355-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-05  8:21                                                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                                                     ` <21d9307f-766e-9aaa-54d3-207a4a4d5d8c-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-05 18:14                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20160505181423.GB5957-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-06  2:20                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605052116570.1091-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-06 22:55                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20160506225523.GA21309-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-09 14:27                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605090926440.6128-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-09 16:35                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20160509163537.GA15479-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-09 19:11                                                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB04A390-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-09 20:05                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
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2016-05-09 20:35                                                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB04A40A-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 15:03                                                                                       ` Steve Wise
2016-05-10 16:46                                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20160510164608.GA29825-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 16:59                                                                                             ` Steve Wise
2016-05-10 17:12                                                                                         ` Hefty, Sean
2016-05-10  4:58                                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20160510045801.GV29160-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 17:18                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <20160510171819.GB2879-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 17:52                                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20160510175200.GB900-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 18:18                                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <20160510181847.GA3754-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 19:26                                                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <20160510192655.GC900-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 19:38                                                                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-05-09 19:16                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20160509191613.GS29160-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-09 19:57                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20160509195734.GA22669-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10  4:41                                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20160510044107.GU29160-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 17:07                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <20160510170739.GA2879-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-10 17:48                                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-05-11  0:29                                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605101928280.2103-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11  2:04                                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-05-11  3:47                                                                                                 ` Bodong Wang
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <HE1PR05MB164274F171401FC5B21B2474AA720-eBadYZ65MZ/fuMsuuuQLTtqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11 19:20                                                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <20160511020429.GA32766-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11  4:31                                                                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <20160511043134.GE900-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11 17:36                                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20160511173608.GB18517-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11 18:37                                                                                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-05-11 14:23                                                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605110920490.8588-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-11 17:27                                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <20160511172745.GA18517-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-12 13:34                                                                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1605120832480.26014-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-12 16:54                                                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-04-27 14:04   ` [PATCH V1 for-next 2/2] IB/mlx5: Report mlx5 " Matan Barak
2016-04-27 16:42   ` [PATCH V1 for-next 0/2] Add support for reporting LSO capabilities Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20160427164230.GB11617-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 16:50       ` Christoph Lameter
2016-04-27 17:09       ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]         ` <20160427170903.GA11554-2ukJVAZIZ/Y@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20160427171451.GA17172-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-27 17:35               ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-04-28  7:57               ` Matan Barak

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