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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma
	(linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org)"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] rdma/uverbs: Sketch for an ioctl framework
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 14:51:56 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160525205156.GB5525@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB050907-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 07:59:29PM +0000, Hefty, Sean wrote:
> > It is time for the people who are hand waving about non-verbs, non-qp,
> > 'new data transfers' to sit down and specify what they want to see out
> > of the kernel uABI.
> 
> I want the core ioctl framework to do this:
> 
> 1. Map user objects to/from the kernel to validate pointers.
> 2. Provide reference counting on such objects, in order to protect against the user attempting to destroy objects that are in use.
> 3. Provide protection that the state of an object is not driven in two different directions.
> 4. Safely process the removal of the underlying driver or device.
> 5. Support driver specific operations to the kernel.
> 6. Report events from multiple sources to a single file descriptor.
> 7. Minimize the kernel footprint for allocated kernel objects.
> 8. Minimize the code path needed to process any ioctl, without greatly affecting maintainability.
> 9. Copy ioctl input/output data to/from the kernel.

I agree with all of this as a suitable goal for the common
dispatch/marshal framework.

I like the idea of the generic uobject stuff in your patches.

#6 seems 'not like the others' - seems like a reasonable concrete
thing to consider as we build the objects on the
framework. [understanding that compat operation is still required]

> I started re-working my patch to address the rdma cm.  The original
> proposal wasn't generic enough and provided a poor fit, because the
> rdma cm has a single object and 25 versions of 'modify'.

I was imagining that all objects would be able to have a set of object
specific functions beyond the common set. IIRC some verbs objects will
need this as well, and I expect drivers to want it.

This is why I wasn't thinking of using the ioctl # to dispatch the
method. It is best if the driver specific calls have globally unique
identifiers of some sort to protect against calling a method on the
wrong driver.

I would encourage you to go as far as Mellanox's series does and
demonstrate the verbs context object in this framework ...

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-25 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-24  6:25 [RFC] rdma/uverbs: Sketch for an ioctl framework Hefty, Sean
     [not found] ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB04FB7F-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-24 16:02   ` Liran Liss
     [not found]     ` <HE1PR05MB141819B27F9AAA360DCB420FB14F0-eBadYZ65MZ87O8BmmlM1zNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-24 17:57       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]         ` <11b6d9c1-0b20-f929-c896-ca084fe18192-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-24 21:41           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20160524214137.GA6760-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-24 22:38               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB0502ED-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-24 23:13                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20160524231359.GA10664-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 14:59                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB050592-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 17:06                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-05-25 14:44               ` Liran Liss
2016-05-25 18:06               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                 ` <5745E9AE.6020700-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 19:00                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20160525190039.GA5525-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 19:31                       ` Doug Ledford
2016-05-25 19:59                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB050907-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 20:51                           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <20160525205156.GB5525-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 21:46                               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB050A07-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 22:13                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20160525221340.GB6207-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-25 22:24                                       ` Hefty, Sean
2016-05-25 22:47                                   ` Steve Wise
2016-05-26 18:07                               ` Liran Liss
     [not found]                                 ` <HE1PR05MB1418B4396F696F763D67A893B1410-eBadYZ65MZ87O8BmmlM1zNqRiQSDpxhJvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-26 18:43                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20160526184348.GA22174-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27  0:22                                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB05BBED-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27 16:50                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20160527165023.GA2449-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27 17:24                                               ` Hefty, Sean

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