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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Matan Barak <matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tal Alon <talal-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Liran Liss <liranl-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Haggai Eran <haggaie-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Majd Dibbiny <majd-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC ABI V1 4/8] RDMA/core: Add support for custom types
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:36:09 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160719203609.GD16042@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a1fcb1a7-0028-329a-d34a-ca8b52323916-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 05:05:46PM +0300, Matan Barak wrote:

> According to the IB spec, a CI could choose either to return an error or to
> move MWs to orphaned MWs (and make sure any access to these MWs will be
> blocked). Some hardwares might implement the first approach and keep
> reference from MRs to MWs in hardware (without having a way to query that in
> software). In these cases, you can't force this unbound (as you don't know
> if they were unbound because of remote invalidate).

Ugh, I don't why that was let in the spec, from an app perspective you
have to assume the annoying behavior...

> >The MW case could be handled specially with a simple priority field.

> So you suggest having a priority field in the uobject and iterate over the
> IDR freeing by order. Seems simple enough.

That is one option.. 

> >>So the flow might be using the QUERY ioctl code and query the
> >>devices/clients. Creating a device/client and get a IDR handle for that. For
> >>every IOCTL code (either device or client commands), you pass this idr
> >>handle as part of the ioctl code specific header.
> >
> >Yes, as I said, we pretty much have to do that already, and it
> >wouldn't be on every ioctl, just certain top level ones like PDs.

> I meant querying the possible devices or clients. Meaning, introduce another
> ioctl code that is used to get all available clients and devices.

Not necessarily, the 'create device' could accept the existing sysfs
device string as the starting point, libibverbs already has that
information.

> The point here isn't about unifying rdma-cm and uverbs. Assuming we do that,
> we could still allow a user to bind fd to several devices or just to a
> single device.

I don't understand this comment.

If we keep /dev/uverbs0 then that has to remain 1:1 with a device
because that is our permissions model.

If we move to /dev/rdma_uapi, then that would support 1:N devices.

I can't see a reason to do both concurrently even though that would be
easy enough technically..

> It's simpler as you don't need to tie objects in the IDR to an IB device (as
> there's only one option). In addition, you don't have to pass a device
> handle to all commands. You could either have a bounded device and then it's
> clear what you're using or you didn't bind any device and then all device
> specific commands (except init_ucontext) fail. Client commands (i.e rdma-cm)
> could either fail or succeed, depending on their requirements. It's a closer
> model to what we have today - uverbs_file points to an ib_dev (which might
> be NULL).

I don't see todays model as actually be very good, and those don't
seem like very strong reasons. An extra argument on a couple of
commands (and PD create is the only one that springs to mind) seems
trivial. libiverbs already keeps track of this.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-19 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-30 13:39 [RFC ABI V1 0/8] SG-based RDMA ABI Proposal Matan Barak
     [not found] ` <1467293971-25688-1-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 1/8] RDMA/core: Export RDMA IOCTL declarations Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1467293971-25688-2-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:12       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160712191256.GA8206-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:43           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 2/8] RDMA/core: Move uobject code to separate files Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1467293971-25688-3-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160712191507.GB8206-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:38           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-07-13 14:34           ` Matan Barak
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 3/8] RDMA/core: Refactor IDR to be per-device Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1467293971-25688-4-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160712192933.GD8206-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:48           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 4/8] RDMA/core: Add support for custom types Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1467293971-25688-5-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-12 19:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160712192345.GC8206-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13 14:44           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <081a02c0-0650-d0c2-494c-19a64b83cbc1-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13 16:39               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20160713163924.GA19657-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13 16:57                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <0959d391-75fb-75e8-ef2e-9d8c06b1b96f-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13 17:21                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20160713172116.GC19657-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14  5:30                           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                             ` <5fdae959-5ab2-ee17-e36e-3642ddd3e6ce-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 16:41                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20160714164121.GA2046-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-19 14:05                                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                                     ` <a1fcb1a7-0028-329a-d34a-ca8b52323916-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-19 20:36                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                                         ` <20160719203609.GD16042-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  8:01                                           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                                             ` <9727f6e6-47fd-fb0a-537f-6264e8d742a9-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 17:49                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-07-14  6:30                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 5/8] RDMA/core: Introduce add/remove uobj from types Matan Barak
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 6/8] RDMA/core: Add new ioctl interface Matan Barak
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 7/8] RDMA/core: Change locking of ib_uobject Matan Barak
     [not found]     ` <1467293971-25688-8-git-send-email-matanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-13 17:16       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20160713171657.GB19657-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14  7:59           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <6ae1a553-408c-723a-93a2-3d46d952ce35-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-14 17:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20160714170051.GB2046-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-19 15:16                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <b47386f4-fdb5-d24b-dbc6-9b5e18be6bf9-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-19 20:44                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20160719204456.GF16042-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20  7:54                           ` Matan Barak (External)
     [not found]                             ` <5c6e6a5d-9fde-a31f-1038-dce9e09662c4-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-20 17:56                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2016-06-30 13:39   ` [RFC ABI V1 8/8] RDMA/{hw, core}: Provide simple skeleton to IOCTL interface Matan Barak

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