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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: "Amrani, Ram" <Ram.Amrani-YGCgFSpz5w/QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rdma-core 14/14] Remove the old barrier macros
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:59:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170223165952.GB6688@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR07MB22070A48ACD50848267A5AD8F8530-mikhvbZlbf8TSoR2DauN2+FPX92sqiQdvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 01:33:33PM +0000, Amrani, Ram wrote:
> >  /* Ensure that the device's view of memory matches the CPU's view of memory.
> > @@ -163,7 +78,25 @@
> >     memory types or non-temporal stores are required to use SFENCE in their own
> >     code prior to calling verbs to start a DMA.
> >  */
> > -#define udma_to_device_barrier() wmb()
> > +#if defined(__i386__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__x86_64__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__PPC64__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("sync" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__PPC__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("sync" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__ia64__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("mf" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__sparc_v9__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("membar #StoreStore" ::: "memory")
> > +#elif defined(__aarch64__)
> > +#define wmb() asm volatile("dsb st" ::: "memory");
> > +#elif defined(__sparc__) || defined(__s390x__)
> > +#define udma_to_device_barrier() asm volatile("" ::: "memory")
> > +#else
> > +#error No architecture specific memory barrier defines found!
> > +#endif
> 
> In the kernel wmb() translates, for x86_64, into 'sfence'.

Yes. Keep in mind the kernel wmb is doing something different, it is
basically defined as the strongest possible barrier that does SMP and
DMA strong ordering.

Based on this historical barrier in verbs the belief was apparently
that on x86 the order DMA observes stores is strictly in program order
for cachable memory. I have no idea if that is actually true or not..

> In user-space, however wmb, and now its "successor", udma_to_device_barrier,
> translate to volatile("" ::: "memory")

Yes :(

> What is the reasoning behind this?
> Why aren't the kernel and user space implementations the same?

I don't know. It is something that doesn't really make sense. Because
it is a weaker barrier user code using certain SSE stuff is going to
have to use SFENCE to be correct.

Arguably we should change it to be SFENCE.. Allowing that is why
I included the weaker udma_ordering_write_barrier..

I put this remark in the comments on udma_to_device_barrier:

   NOTE: x86 has historically used a weaker semantic for this barrier, and
   only fenced normal stores to normal memory. libibverbs users using other
   memory types or non-temporal stores are required to use SFENCE in their own
   code prior to calling verbs to start a DMA.

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-23 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-16 19:22 [PATCH rdma-core 00/14] Revise the DMA barrier macros in ibverbs Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found] ` <1487272989-8215-1-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 19:22   ` [PATCH rdma-core 01/14] mlx5: Use stdatomic for the in_use barrier Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-16 19:22   ` [PATCH rdma-core 02/14] Provide new names for the CPU barriers related to DMA Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-3-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 22:07       ` Steve Wise
2017-02-17 16:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-16 19:22   ` [PATCH rdma-core 03/14] cxgb3: Update to use new udma write barriers Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-4-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 21:20       ` Steve Wise
2017-02-16 21:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20170216214527.GA13616-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-16 22:01             ` Steve Wise
2017-02-16 19:22   ` [PATCH rdma-core 04/14] cxgb4: " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-5-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17 20:16       ` Steve Wise
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 05/14] hns: " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 06/14] i40iw: Get rid of unique barrier macros Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-7-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 17:29       ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]         ` <20170301172920.GA11340-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 17:55           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170301175521.GB14791-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 22:14               ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]                 ` <20170301221420.GA18548-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 23:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170301230506.GB2820-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-03 21:45                       ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]                         ` <20170303214514.GA12996-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-03 22:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20170303222244.GA678-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-06 19:16                               ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]                                 ` <20170306191631.GB34252-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-06 19:40                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20170306194052.GB31672-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 22:46                                       ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]                                         ` <20170307224622.GA45028-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 22:50                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20170307225027.GA20858-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 23:01                                               ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170307230121.GA52428-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 23:11                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                     ` <20170307231145.GB20858-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 23:23                                                       ` Shiraz Saleem
2017-03-06 18:18       ` Shiraz Saleem
     [not found]         ` <20170306181808.GA34252-GOXS9JX10wfOxmVO0tvppfooFf0ArEBIu+b9c/7xato@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-06 19:07           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170306190751.GA30663-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 23:16               ` Shiraz Saleem
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 07/14] mlx4: Update to use new udma write barriers Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-8-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-20 17:46       ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]         ` <206559e5-0488-f6d5-c4ec-bf560e0c3ba6-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-21 18:14           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170221181407.GA13138-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-06 14:57               ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]                 ` <45d2b7da-9ad6-6b37-d0b2-00f7807966b4-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-06 17:31                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170306173139.GA11805-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-07 16:44                       ` Yishai Hadas
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2017-03-07 19:18                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20170307191824.GD2228-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-08 21:27                               ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]                                 ` <6571cf34-63b9-7b83-ddb0-9279e7e20fa9-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-08 21:56                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2017-03-09 15:42                                       ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]                                         ` <4dcf0cea-3652-0df2-9d98-74e258e6170a-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-09 17:03                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20170309170320.GA12694-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 15:17                                               ` Yishai Hadas
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 08/14] mlx5: " Jason Gunthorpe
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2017-02-27 10:56       ` Yishai Hadas
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2017-02-27 18:00           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170227180009.GL5891-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 16:02               ` Yishai Hadas
     [not found]                 ` <2969cce4-8b51-8fcf-f099-2b42a6d40a9c-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 17:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170228170658.GA17995-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-02  9:34                       ` Yishai Hadas
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2017-03-02 17:12                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2017-03-06 14:19                               ` Yishai Hadas
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 09/14] nes: " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 10/14] mthca: Update to use new mmio " Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 11/14] ocrdma: Update to use new udma " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-12-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-18 16:21       ` Devesh Sharma
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 12/14] qedr: " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-13-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23 13:49       ` Amrani, Ram
     [not found]         ` <SN1PR07MB2207DE206738E6DD8511CEA1F8530-mikhvbZlbf8TSoR2DauN2+FPX92sqiQdvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23 17:30           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170223173047.GC6688-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 10:01               ` Amrani, Ram
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 13/14] vmw_pvrdma: " Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-14-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-17 18:05       ` Adit Ranadive
2017-02-16 19:23   ` [PATCH rdma-core 14/14] Remove the old barrier macros Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1487272989-8215-15-git-send-email-jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23 13:33       ` Amrani, Ram
     [not found]         ` <SN1PR07MB22070A48ACD50848267A5AD8F8530-mikhvbZlbf8TSoR2DauN2+FPX92sqiQdvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-23 16:59           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-02-28 16:00   ` [PATCH rdma-core 00/14] Revise the DMA barrier macros in ibverbs Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <1488297611.86943.215.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 16:38       ` Majd Dibbiny
     [not found]         ` <C6384D48-FC47-4046-8025-462E1CB02A34-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-28 17:47           ` Doug Ledford

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