From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Tom Talpey <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org,
schumaker.anna-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] sunrpc: flag transports as using IETF approved congestion control protocols
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:11:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170223201109.GC11882@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65056db6-f30a-c44d-b01c-b549887c4895-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 03:06:25PM -0500, Tom Talpey wrote:
> On 2/23/2017 3:00 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 14:42 -0500, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >>On 2/23/2017 12:03 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >>>Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
> >>>---
> >>> include/linux/sunrpc/svc_xprt.h | 1 +
> >>> net/sunrpc/svcsock.c | 1 +
> >>> net/sunrpc/xprtrdma/svc_rdma_transport.c | 2 ++
> >>
> >>There's a possibly-important detail here. Not all RDMA transports have
> >>"IETF-approved congestion control", for example, RoCEv1. However, iWARP
> >>and (arguably) RoCEv2 do. On the other hand, as a nonroutable protocol,
> >>RoCEv1 may not fall under this restriction.
> >>
> >>Net-net, inspecting only the RDMA attribute of the transport may be
> >>insufficient here.
> >>
> >>It could be argued however that the xprtrdma layer, with its rpcrdma
> >>crediting, provides such congestion. But that needs to be made
> >>explicit, and perhaps, discussed in IETF. Initially, I think it would
> >>be important to flag this as a point for the future. For now, it may
> >>be best to flag RoCEv1 as not supporting congestion.
> >>
> >>Tom.
> >>
> >
> >(cc'ing Chuck and the linux-rdma list)
> >
> >Thanks Tom, that's very interesting.
> >
> >Not being well versed in the xprtrdma layer, what condition should we
> >use here to set the flag? git grep shows that the string "ROCEV1" only
> >shows up in the bxnt_en driver. Is there some way to determine this
> >generically for any given RDMA driver?
>
> I would not code RoCEv1 as an exception, I would code iWARP and RoCEv2
> as the only eligible ones. There are any number of other possibilities,
> none of which should be automatically flagged as congestion-controlled.
>
> I'm also not sure I'm comfortable with hardcoding such a list into RPC.
> But it may be the best you can do for now. Chuck, are you aware of a
> verbs interface to obtain the RDMA transport type?
If this gets too complicated--we've been allowing NFSv4/UDP for years,
letting this one (arguable?) exception through in RDMA a little longer
won't kill us.
(And if we really shouldn't be doing NFSv4 over some RDMA transports--is
it worth supporting them at all, if the only support we can get is
NFSv3-only?)
--b.
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2017-02-23 20:00 ` [PATCH 1/4] sunrpc: flag transports as using IETF approved congestion control protocols Jeff Layton
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2017-02-23 20:06 ` Tom Talpey
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2017-02-23 20:11 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
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2017-02-23 20:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2017-02-23 20:33 ` Tom Talpey
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2017-02-23 20:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2017-02-24 15:08 ` Tom Talpey
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2017-02-24 17:17 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <1487956644.3314.4.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-02-24 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-23 20:32 ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 20:17 ` Chuck Lever
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