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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <maxg@mellanox.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 6/8] nvmet: Be careful about using iomem accesses when dealing with p2pmem
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:35:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170406163520.GA7657@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4df229d8-8124-664a-9bc4-6401bc034be1@grimberg.me>

On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 08:33:38AM +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> 
> >>Note that the nvme completion queues are still on the host memory, so
> >>this means we have lost the ordering between data and completions as
> >>they go to different pcie targets.
> >
> >Hmm, in this simple up/down case with a switch, I think it might
> >actually be OK.
> >
> >Transactions might not complete at the NVMe device before the CPU
> >processes the RDMA completion, however due to the PCI-E ordering rules
> >new TLPs directed to the NVMe will complete after the RMDA TLPs and
> >thus observe the new data. (eg order preserving)
> >
> >It would be very hard to use P2P if fabric ordering is not preserved..
> 
> I think it still can race if the p2p device is connected with more than
> a single port to the switch.
> 
> Say it's connected via 2 legs, the bar is accessed from leg A and the
> data from the disk comes via leg B. In this case, the data is heading
> towards the p2p device via leg B (might be congested), the completion
> goes directly to the RC, and then the host issues a read from the
> bar via leg A. I don't understand what can guarantee ordering here.

Right, this is why I qualified my statement with 'simple up/down case'

Make it any more complex and it clearly stops working sanely, but I
wouldn't worry about unusual PCI-E fabrics at this point..

> Stephen told me that this still guarantees ordering, but I honestly
> can't understand how, perhaps someone can explain to me in a simple
> way that I can understand.

AFAIK PCI-E ordering is explicitly per link, so things that need order
must always traverse the same link.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-06 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-30 22:12 [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found] ` <1490911959-5146-1-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 1/8] Introduce Peer-to-Peer memory (p2pmem) device Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1490911959-5146-2-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 18:49       ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]         ` <cb102386-0314-a3a3-ed44-b42debdf1512-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 21:23           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <7158f2e8-2016-f398-e77f-0fcbe6cb41dd-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 21:38               ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]                 ` <e6a74aeb-9f54-51c5-8ad9-3b6fb92c03b3-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 22:42                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <0280fbb4-ba9e-ac64-6bb3-b72590a54e57-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 23:51                       ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]                         ` <0ae27bca-21be-b89c-aba4-6cc9766ebd7b-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-01  1:57                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <c8edc480-a2ac-a763-8438-18f3396db483-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-01  2:17                               ` okaya-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ
2017-04-01 22:16                                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-02  2:26                                   ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]                                     ` <f0448277-9381-5c3d-d194-1efa1d1b44a6-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-02 17:21                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-02 21:03                                         ` Sinan Kaya
2017-04-03  4:26                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <ef507444-d3e5-0454-86a0-b5c4ae4b4dd9-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 11:58                                               ` Marta Rybczynska
     [not found]                                                 ` <117239810.400362790.1493121533234.JavaMail.zimbra-FNhOzJFKnXGHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 16:58                                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 2/8] cxgb4: setup pcie memory window 4 and create p2pmem region Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1490911959-5146-3-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 10:42       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <f269d9e1-8dcf-7970-382e-cb0d9a020efc-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 15:56           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-05 15:41           ` Steve Wise
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 3/8] nvmet: Use p2pmem in nvme target Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-04 10:40     ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]       ` <bce6b009-7756-3cf7-5053-2628b26c8d97-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 16:16         ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <ec05b7d9-8dfd-8227-84d2-7d391df32219-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-06  5:47             ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]               ` <0689e764-bf04-6da2-3b7d-2cbf0b6b94a0-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-06 15:52                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 4/8] p2pmem: Add debugfs "stats" file Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1490911959-5146-5-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 10:46       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <95928b70-0148-7297-8f5e-5031d996bb98-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 17:25           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-05 15:43           ` Steve Wise
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 5/8] scatterlist: Modify SG copy functions to support io memory Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1490911959-5146-6-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31  7:09       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]         ` <20170331070950.GA9059-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-31 15:41           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <435d4471-436b-87e6-8827-c9fc6cbdde2c-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-03 21:20               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <445bc352-75d7-438f-96ef-c2411215628d-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-03 21:44                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                     ` <CAPcyv4g=MHbjbY0GFPoLq3wAGwhcC7813O7iLUWGEChWh0M7Dw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-03 22:10                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <ff0dd5ec-2562-9f1d-1335-d0a8813f2f50-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-03 22:47                           ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                             ` <CAPcyv4gx4g3Ry_A99yTodqwm2vH72oMSLKAKF7iEsmG5G4TcbQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-03 23:12                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <22930db3-a194-8b60-5aab-4a8add1ddc55-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04  0:07                                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                     ` <CAPcyv4gL=Z42x52So1iL-MNhPY67Pktz3c0J_h0tj_60TowNuQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-07 17:59                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 6/8] nvmet: Be careful about using iomem accesses when dealing with p2pmem Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <1490911959-5146-7-git-send-email-logang-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 10:59       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]         ` <080b68b4-eba3-861c-4f29-5d829425b5e7-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 15:46           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170404154629.GA13552-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-04 17:21               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-06  5:33               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                 ` <4df229d8-8124-664a-9bc4-6401bc034be1-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-06 16:02                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-07 11:19                   ` Stephen  Bates
     [not found]                     ` <3E85B4D4-9EBC-4299-8209-2D8740947764-pv7U853sEMVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10  8:29                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                         ` <7fcc3ac8-8b96-90f5-3942-87f999c7499d-NQWnxTmZq1alnMjI0IkVqw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-10 16:03                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-06 16:35                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-03-30 22:12   ` [RFC 7/8] p2pmem: Support device removal Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-12  5:22   ` [RFC 0/8] Copy Offload with Peer-to-Peer PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]     ` <1491974532.7236.43.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-12 17:09       ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <5ac22496-56ec-025d-f153-140001d2a7f9-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-12 21:55           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]             ` <1492034124.7236.77.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13 21:22               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <81888a1e-eb0d-cbbc-dc66-0a09c32e4ea2-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13 22:37                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-13 23:26                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
     [not found]                     ` <20170413232631.GB24910-1RhO1Y9PlrlHTL0Zs8A6p5iNqAH0jzoTYJqu5kTmcBRl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14  4:16                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20170414041656.GA30694-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14  4:40                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <08c32f0d-6c7c-b65f-6453-dde0d7c173d1-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14 11:37                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                 ` <1492169879.25766.4.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14 11:39                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-04-14 11:37                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                             ` <1492169849.25766.3.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14 17:30                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <630c1c63-ff17-1116-e069-2b8f93e50fa2-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14 19:04                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
     [not found]                                     ` <20170414190452.GA15679-1RhO1Y9PlrlHTL0Zs8A6p5iNqAH0jzoTYJqu5kTmcBRl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-14 22:07                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                         ` <1492207643.25766.18.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-15 17:41                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-15 22:09                                             ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                               ` <CAPcyv4jUeKzKDARp6Z35kdPLKnP-M6aF8X5KpOx55CLyjnj4dA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-16  3:01                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                                   ` <1492311719.25766.37.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-16  4:46                                                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-04-16 15:53                                                   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                                                     ` <CAPcyv4iqnz1B00Q3xG-nGrLXdOyB7ditxmwZyotksLFgUqr+jA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-16 16:34                                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <5e43818e-8c6b-8be8-23ff-b798633d2a73-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-16 22:31                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <1492381907.25766.49.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24  7:36                                                               ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                                                                 ` <1493019397.3171.118.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24 16:14                                                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                     ` <9b6c0830-a728-c7ca-e6c6-2135f3f760ed-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25  6:30                                                                       ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1493101803.3171.246.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 17:03                                                                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                             ` <0cc95df5-b9dd-6493-15fe-771d535c1020-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 21:23                                                                               ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-25 21:23                                                                   ` Stephen  Bates
2017-04-16 22:26                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                             ` <bff1e503-95a9-e19f-bfd9-0ff962c63a81-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-15 22:17                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found]                                                 ` <1492294628.25766.33.camel-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-16  5:36                                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2017-03-30 22:12 ` [RFC 8/8] p2pmem: Added char device user interface Logan Gunthorpe

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