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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Chien Tin Tung <chien.tin.tung-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Christopher Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [rdma-next 01/33] Revert "IB/core: Add flow control to the portmapper netlink calls"
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 13:58:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170801195840.GC31205@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170801151511.GA13376-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 10:15:11AM -0500, Chien Tin Tung wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 09:22:47AM -0500, Christopher Lameter wrote:
> > On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Chien Tin Tung wrote:
> > 
> > > Why do I need to explain the original patch?  It was accepted many kernels
> > > ago.  Your questions on the original were based on false assumptions and
> > > facts which I've proven over and over.  You are right in that I do
> > > not want to revisit those either.  There is a patch that can solve
> > > the problem you are facing but yet you insist on the revert.  This is
> > > very puzzling to me.  You simply refuse to move this forward.  That
> > > is your choice but revert is a no go for me.
> > 
> > Ok this is pretty confusing to someone not involved in the prior
> > discussions. Could both of your stop attacking each other and start
> > talking about the technical issues?
> 
> There's been multiple threads over this revert.  This one is the
> latest Leon walked away from: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9814367/
> 
> I'm simply asking for proof/evidence/facts to back up Leon's claims.
> Show me the code/stack trace/whatever and I will be happy to admit wrong
> publicly on the list and move on.  I do have better things to do than
> to NACK a revert.

Well, I think the design of the netlink protocol in iwpmd is pretty
strange, but audit netlink is the other major user of blocking
netlink_uncast to achive some reliability, so it should be workable
here as well.

Presumably the iwpmd kernel side is designed to handle the locking
right to avoid deadlocks.

I'm not sure why there is so much noise about this - yes, iwpmd is
really weird, but it is a UAPI, we can't change it and we can't demand
they change. For better or worse the protocol is based on
'near-reliable' netlink delivery of messages and we are stuck with
that.

Leon is also right that every other user of netlink_unicast in rdma
should be using the non-blocking version.

So, the above patch seems like a sensible approach to me..

Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-01 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-01 12:05 [pull request][rdma-next 00/33] RDMA netlink refactoring and RDMAtool code Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20170801120536.540-1-leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 01/33] Revert "IB/core: Add flow control to the portmapper netlink calls" Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]     ` <20170801120536.540-2-leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 13:38       ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]         ` <20170801133832.GA11812-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 14:10           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]             ` <20170801141023.GM13672-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 14:18               ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                 ` <20170801141842.GA1808-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 14:22                   ` Christopher Lameter
2017-08-01 15:13                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 15:15                     ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                       ` <20170801151511.GA13376-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 15:20                         ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                           ` <1501600807.2475.4.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 16:21                             ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                               ` <20170801162135.GA240-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 16:55                                 ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                   ` <1501606508.2475.12.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 17:14                                     ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                                       ` <20170801171454.GA8484-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 17:28                                         ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                           ` <1501608534.2475.14.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 17:52                                             ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                                               ` <20170801175236.GA14048-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 17:58                                                 ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                                   ` <1501610305.2475.16.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 18:20                                                     ` Chien Tin Tung
2017-08-01 19:58                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <20170801195840.GC31205-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 20:38                             ` Chien Tin Tung
     [not found]                               ` <20170801203815.GA4620-TZeIlv3TuzOfrEmaQUPKxl95YUYmaKo1UNDiOz3kqAs@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 23:17                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-08-02  3:44                             ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                               ` <20170802034438.GV13672-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 15:58                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                   ` <20170802155856.GA21208-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 16:29                                     ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                       ` <20170802162938.GC13672-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 16:45                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                           ` <20170802164553.GA31901-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 16:51                                             ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                               ` <1501692660.2437.4.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:08                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                   ` <20170802170823.GA32513-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:11                                                     ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]                                                       ` <1501693892.2437.6.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 17:20                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-08-02 17:57               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                 ` <1501696661.109555.6.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02 18:54                   ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                     ` <20170802185405.GE13672-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03  0:19                       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                         ` <1501719575.117042.4.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03  5:10                           ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                             ` <20170803051032.GF13672-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03 12:22                               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                 ` <1501762973.117042.7.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-03 12:42                                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                     ` <1501764159.117042.9.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06  7:47                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                         ` <20170806074751.GA3636-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-06 19:00                                           ` Bart Van Assche
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 02/33] RDMA/netlink: Remove netlink clients infrastructure Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 03/33] RDMA/netlink: Remove redundant owner option for netlink callbacks Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 04/33] RDMA/netlink: Avoid double pass for RDMA netlink messages Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 05/33] RDMA/iwcm: Remove useless check of nelink client validity Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 06/33] RDMA/iwcm: Remove extra EXPORT_SYMBOLS Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 07/33] RDMA/netlink: Add flag to consolidate common handing Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 08/33] RDMA/netlink: Simplify the put_msg and put_attr Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 09/33] RDMA/netlink: Rename and remove redundant parameter from ibnl_unicast Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 10/33] RDMA/netlink: Rename and remove redundant parameter from ibnl_multicast Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 11/33] RDMA/netlink: Simplify and rename ibnl_chk_listeners Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 12/33] RDMA/netlink: Rename netlink callback struct Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 13/33] RDMA/core: Add iterator over ib_devices Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 14/33] RDMA/core: Add and expose static device index Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 15/33] RDMA/netlink: Add and implement doit netlink callback Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 16/33] RDMA/netlink: Reduce indirection access to cb_table Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 17/33] RDMA/netlink: Convert LS to doit callback Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 18/33] RDMA/netlink: Update copyright Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 19/33] RDMA/netlink: Add netlink device definitions to UAPI Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 20/33] RDMA/netlink: Add nldev initialization flows Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 21/33] RDMA/netlink: Implement nldev device dumpit calback Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 22/33] RDMA/netlink: Add nldev device doit implementation Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 23/33] RDMA/netlink: Add nldev port dumpit implementation Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 24/33] RDMA/netlink: Implement nldev port doit callback Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 25/33] RDMA/netlink: Expose device and port capability masks Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 26/33] RDMA: Simplify get firmware interface Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 27/33] RDMA/netlink: Export FW version Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 28/33] RDMA/netlink: Export node_guid and sys_image_guid Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 29/33] RDMA/netlink: Advertise IB subnet prefix Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 30/33] RDMA/netink: Export lids and sm_lids Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 31/33] RDMA/netlink: Export LID mask control (LMC) Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 32/33] RDMA/netlink: Provide port state and physical link state Leon Romanovsky
2017-08-01 12:05   ` [rdma-next 33/33] RDMA/netlink: Export node_type Leon Romanovsky

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