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From: Leon Romanovsky <leonro-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Or Gerlitz <gerlitz.or-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg-uk2M96/98Pc@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Parav Pandit <parav-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Moni Shoua <monis-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] RDMA/cma: Remove netlink interface of CMA statistics
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:53:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171121055308.GN18825@mtr-leonro.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3xEMhKEXB3-RJFyEh2dE8dr6OOpQPZ2rJ14MoKQ-2sB0GTXg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:14:01AM +0200, Or Gerlitz wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg-uk2M96/98Pc@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > Well, I would like to know the issues as well, as I've already said I
> > think they should be described in the commit message.
>
> > But also, at the RFC stage the onus is on other people, particularly
> > people that want to keep the feature, to explain where it is being
> > used and why..
>
> we did it to allow user space track rdma-cm connections through the rdma
> subsystem netlink infra-structure, e.g one can come up with netstat like
> reporting of rdma listeners and connections, this is it!

And after 7 years did anyone use it? The answer is no and it is because
this interface was added without any real user space application which
was supposed to use it.

>
> > We need to decide if we drop the RFC and fix the implementation, apply
> > the the RFC, or add a deprecation printk warning, or something..
>
> right. To my opinion, if there are issues in the implementation, lets fix them,
> I don't see why remove this implementation and replace it with a new one
> that does the same thing.

Just looking at the code without deep dive.

1. Lack of extensibility, in case of desire to add new field to
rdma_cm_id_stats, you will need to throw away this struct and add new
netlink attribute.
2. Device list lock for data retrieval - user can prevent device from
recovery (maybe).
3. It doesn't return device ID !!!!!
4. Completely unscalable by sending message per-struct and not using
netlink nested tables.
5. No check of device identifiers -> returns everything.
4. There is no nlmsg_end at the end of message.

Are you going to fix it?

>
> > Please try to be productive here and concentrate on adding information
> > and not nit-picking the process! We all know removing a uapi is a big
> > deal.
>
> Re usage I provided what I know.

It is wishful thinking, I'm interested in real users and real applications.
Do you know about such?

Thanks

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Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-13 14:40 [RFC PATCH] RDMA/cma: Remove netlink interface of CMA statistics Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20171113144024.26655-1-leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-13 19:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20171113192432.GL6918-uk2M96/98Pc@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14  8:05       ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]         ` <20171114080550.GR18825-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14  8:51           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]             ` <CAJ3xEMhfdXz8zQFetjQPfe7HZiCi+N0z6r9XSucuTzQo1--PBg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14  9:56               ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                 ` <20171114095605.GU18825-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 15:23                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20171114152350.GA4263-uk2M96/98Pc@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 18:02                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-11-14 16:04                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ3xEMhM0xfNxRU+37oWKq_w=MGtE3sUXy38bARgX5-3G9zhvw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 17:35                       ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                         ` <20171114173516.GZ18825-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-14 21:05                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                             ` <CAJ3xEMgJJX0FXMK9Rj=kGmNGkF14tBe03zfwzKHnEEp=cEDVxw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15  5:29                               ` Leon Romanovsky
     [not found]                                 ` <20171115052926.GN18825-U/DQcQFIOTAAJjI8aNfphQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-15  7:50                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                     ` <CAJ3xEMjrTvY+hq=1Q3tmPk_QiZtpO8dLMmCtrPjJgbtOeiU=6Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 11:53                                       ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                         ` <CAJ3xEMjst4EaFYfUVwqiOzsh5pVPj85joPYsGsap8p6tQYUwew-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 19:41                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20171120194152.GN29075-uk2M96/98Pc@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-20 22:14                                               ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAJ3xEMhKEXB3-RJFyEh2dE8dr6OOpQPZ2rJ14MoKQ-2sB0GTXg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21  5:53                                                   ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]

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