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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm, oom: distinguish blockable mode for mmu notifiers
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 15:32:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180824133207.GR29735@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <103b1b33-1a1d-27a1-dcf8-5c8ad60056a6-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>

On Fri 24-08-18 22:02:23, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2018/08/24 20:36, Michal Hocko wrote:
> >> That is, this API seems to be currently used by only out-of-tree users. Since
> >> we can't check that nobody has memory allocation dependency, I think that
> >> hmm_invalidate_range_start() should return -EAGAIN if blockable == false for now.
> > 
> > The code expects that the invalidate_range_end doesn't block if
> > invalidate_range_start hasn't blocked. That is the reason why the end
> > callback doesn't have blockable parameter. If this doesn't hold then the
> > whole scheme is just fragile because those two calls should pair.
> > 
> That is
> 
>   More worrisome part in that patch is that I don't know whether using
>   trylock if blockable == false at entry is really sufficient.
> 
> . Since those two calls should pair, I think that we need to determine whether
> we need to return -EAGAIN at start call by evaluating both calls.

Yes, and I believe I have done that audit. Module my misunderstanding of
the code.

> Like mn_invl_range_start() involves schedule_delayed_work() which could be
> blocked on memory allocation under OOM situation,

It doesn't because that code path is not invoked for the !blockable
case.

> I worry that (currently
> out-of-tree) users of this API are involving work / recursion.

I do not give a slightest about out-of-tree modules. They will have to
accomodate to the new API. I have no problems to extend the
documentation and be explicit about this expectation.
diff --git a/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h b/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h
index 133ba78820ee..698e371aafe3 100644
--- a/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h
+++ b/include/linux/mmu_notifier.h
@@ -153,7 +153,9 @@ struct mmu_notifier_ops {
 	 *
 	 * If blockable argument is set to false then the callback cannot
 	 * sleep and has to return with -EAGAIN. 0 should be returned
-	 * otherwise.
+	 * otherwise. Please note that if invalidate_range_start approves
+	 * a non-blocking behavior then the same applies to
+	 * invalidate_range_end.
 	 *
 	 */
 	int (*invalidate_range_start)(struct mmu_notifier *mn,


> And hmm_release() says that
> 
> 	/*
> 	 * Drop mirrors_sem so callback can wait on any pending
> 	 * work that might itself trigger mmu_notifier callback
> 	 * and thus would deadlock with us.
> 	 */
> 
> and keeps "all operations protected by hmm->mirrors_sem held for write are
> atomic". This suggests that "some operations protected by hmm->mirrors_sem held
> for read will sleep (and in the worst case involves memory allocation
> dependency)".

Yes and so what? The clear expectation is that neither of the range
notifiers do not sleep in !blocking mode. I really fail to see what you
are trying to say.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-24 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-16 11:50 [PATCH] mm, oom: distinguish blockable mode for mmu notifiers Michal Hocko
2018-07-16 23:12 ` Andrew Morton
2018-07-17  4:03   ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-07-17  8:12   ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-20 23:01     ` Andrew Morton
2018-07-23  8:43       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <20180716115058.5559-1-mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-07-19  9:12   ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-21  0:09 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <20180720170902.d1137060c23802d55426aa03-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2018-07-23  7:03     ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-23  7:11       ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-23  8:11         ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-24 14:17     ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-24 19:53       ` Andrew Morton
2018-07-25  6:17         ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-24 21:07       ` David Rientjes
2018-07-25  6:13         ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 10:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-24 11:32   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <20180824113248.GH29735-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 11:43       ` Christian König
     [not found]         ` <b088e382-e90e-df63-a079-19b2ae2b985d-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 11:52           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20180824115226.GK29735-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 11:57               ` Christian König
2018-08-24 12:03                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                   ` <20180824120339.GL29735-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 12:18                     ` Christian König
     [not found]                       ` <eb546bcb-9c5f-7d5d-43a7-bfde489f0e7f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 12:33                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 12:52                           ` Christian König
     [not found]                             ` <b11df415-baf8-0a41-3c16-60dfe8d32bd3-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 13:01                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 13:10                                 ` Christian König
2018-08-24 13:24                                   ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 13:28                                     ` Christian König
2018-08-24 13:40                                       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 13:44                                         ` Christian König
2018-08-24 13:52                                           ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-26  8:40                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]                                               ` <b78f8b3a-7bc6-0dea-6752-5ea798eccb6b-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-27  7:41                                                 ` Christian König
2018-09-06 22:46                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-24 15:08                           ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]   ` <8cbfb09f-0c5a-8d43-1f5e-f3ff7612e289-JPay3/Yim36HaxMnTkn67Xf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 11:36     ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 13:02       ` Tetsuo Handa
     [not found]         ` <103b1b33-1a1d-27a1-dcf8-5c8ad60056a6-1yMVhJb1mP/7nzcFbJAaVXf5DAMn2ifp@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-24 13:32           ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2018-08-24 14:52             ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-24 15:12               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-24 16:40                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 17:33                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-08-24 16:38               ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-24 14:40   ` Jerome Glisse

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