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From: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
To: Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	"D. Wythe" <alibuda@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Sidraya Jayagond <sidraya@linux.ibm.com>,
	Wenjia Zhang <wenjia@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mahanta Jambigi <mjambigi@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tony Lu <tonylu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Wen Gu <guwen@linux.alibaba.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 1/2] net/smc: make wr buffer count configurable
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 10:39:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250928103951.6464dfd3.pasic@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aNiXQ_UfG9k-f9-n@linux.alibaba.com>

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 10:02:43 +0800
Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:

> >Unfortunately I don't quite understand why qp_attr.cap.max_send_wr is 3
> >times the number of send WR buffers we allocate. My understanding
> >is that qp_attr.cap.max_send_wr is about the number of send WQEs.  
> 
> We have at most 2 RDMA Write for 1 RDMA send. So 3 times is necessary.
> That is explained in the original comments. Maybe it's better to keep it.
> 
> ```
> .cap = {
>                 /* include unsolicited rdma_writes as well,
>                  * there are max. 2 RDMA_WRITE per 1 WR_SEND
>                  */

But what are "the unsolicited" rdma_writes? I have heard of
unsolicited receive, where the data is received without
consuming a WR previously put on the RQ on the receiving end, but
the concept of unsolicited rdma_writes eludes me completely.

I guess what you are trying to say, and what I understand is
that we first put the payload into the RMB of the remote, which
may require up 2 RDMA_WRITE operations, probably because we may
cross the end (and start) of the array that hosts the circular
buffer, and then we send a CDC message to update the cursor.

For the latter a  ib_post_send() is used in smc_wr_tx_send()
and AFAICT it consumes a WR from wr_tx_bufs. For the former
we consume a single wr_tx_rdmas which and each wr_tx_rdmas
has 2 WR allocated.

And all those WRs need a WQE. So I guess now I do understand
SMC_WR_BUF_CNT, but I find the comment still confusing like
hell because of these unsolicited rdma_writes.

Thank you for the explanation! It was indeed helpful! Let
me try to come up with a better comment -- unless somebody
manages to explain "unsolicited rdma_writes" to me.

>         .max_send_wr = SMC_WR_BUF_CNT * 3,
>         .max_recv_wr = SMC_WR_BUF_CNT * 3,
>         .max_send_sge = SMC_IB_MAX_SEND_SGE,
>         .max_recv_sge = lnk->wr_rx_sge_cnt,
>         .max_inline_data = 0,
> },
> ```
> 
> >I assume that qp_attr.cap.max_send_wr == qp_attr.cap.max_recv_wr
> >is not something we would want to preserve.  
> 
> IIUC, RDMA Write won't consume any RX wqe on the receive side, so I think
> the .max_recv_wr can be SMC_WR_BUF_CNT if we don't use RDMA_WRITE_IMM.

Maybe we don't want to assume somebody else (another implementation)
would not use immediate data. I'm not sure. But I don't quite understand
the why the relationship between the send and the receive side either.

Regards,
Halil

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-28  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-21 21:44 [PATCH net-next v3 0/2] net/smc: make wr buffer count configurable Halil Pasic
2025-09-21 21:44 ` [PATCH net-next v3 1/2] " Halil Pasic
2025-09-24 17:27   ` Sidraya Jayagond
2025-09-25  9:27   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-25 11:25     ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-27 22:55       ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-28  2:02         ` Dust Li
2025-09-28  2:12           ` Dust Li
2025-09-28  8:39           ` Halil Pasic [this message]
2025-09-28 11:42             ` Dust Li
2025-09-28 18:32               ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-26  2:44   ` Guangguan Wang
2025-09-26 10:12     ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-26 10:30       ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-28  3:05         ` Guangguan Wang
2025-09-21 21:44 ` [PATCH net-next v3 2/2] net/smc: handle -ENOMEM from smc_wr_alloc_link_mem gracefully Halil Pasic
2025-09-24 17:28   ` Sidraya Jayagond
2025-09-25  9:40   ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-25 15:05     ` Halil Pasic
2025-09-25 15:41       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-09-25 21:46         ` Halil Pasic

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