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From: Dennis Dalessandro <dennis.dalessandro-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Parav Pandit <parav-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Steve Wise
	<swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>,
	'Leon Romanovsky' <leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	'Doug Ledford' <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Idan Burstein <idanb-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] Support out of order data placement
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:06:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3fa7a4b5-5c19-8c6a-d78b-93219a9be888@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VI1PR0502MB3008CE85A4F274886B74DF2BD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>

On 6/12/2017 1:37 PM, Parav Pandit wrote:
>> Given the application follows the above semantics, why does it care if data
>> is placed out of order?  IE Why does this impact the application API at all?
>>
> If application wants to benefit from out-of-order placement, it should enable this flag.
> Following semantics is fine, but letting HCA enable something under the hood for all QPs, is not good.
> HCA or stack doesn't know which all applications are running, handling/following such semantics.
> So its best left to the end user applications to benefit or not from it.

I don't understand why the application has to care about this at all. If 
the HW wants to place things out of order. Ok go for it. Applications 
should be depending on the correct mechanism to know when it's OK to 
look at the data. Why do they care what order it arrived in?

The only reason to care is if the applications wants to do something 
that is not compliant and look at parts of the data early. Perhaps you 
can explain *how* an application may benefit from out-of-order placement 
and likewise, why it wouldn't want to benefit.

It seems to me, the real benefit is reducing the number of 
retransmissions which the application shouldn't care about.

-Denny





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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-06-12 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-12  6:49 [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] Support out of order data placement Leon Romanovsky
     [not found] ` <20170612064918.12510-1-leon-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 1/3] IB/core: Expose out of order data placement capability Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 2/3] IB/uverbs: Enable user space programs to use out of order placement Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12  6:49   ` [PATCH rdma-next 3/3] IB/mlx5: Support out of order data placement Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12 15:28   ` [PATCH rdma-next 0/3] " Bart Van Assche
     [not found]     ` <1497281280.2770.1.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:19       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]         ` <VI1PR0502MB3008478FC7C70D1F398FE2B2D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20170612162917.GA11993-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:42               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                 ` <VI1PR0502MB3008EA451DA9ECEBECE27362D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:43                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20170612164343.GA12435-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:53                       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                         ` <VI1PR0502MB300831A1560531E67B29589DD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20170612165536.GB12435-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:11                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB30089EDC828A142338B1EE06D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:14                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20170612171436.GA12739-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:28                                       ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                         ` <VI1PR0502MB3008304F8465C19ACCFF3D68D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:32                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20170612173221.GA13302-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:46                                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB30081FD74492E97043F45BD8D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 17:51                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 21:09                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                 ` <6747e257-67b0-a364-be21-04f73ef82ffe-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:32                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB30080B672B80836FF0A328DCD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:41                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20170612214135.GB30578-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:59                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB30087762738A4E02A1DA24D0D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:07                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170612220730.GA32510-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:16                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB30088258D7BADC83B0609F38D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:21                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 22:19                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                         ` <475e1873-e842-ecb9-d260-34777da57e51-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:54                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB3008B7FE60CAB3BD49907A1BD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 23:44                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                 ` <d3a436a0-9ace-b11a-2e4c-387fc575877e-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 23:59                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB3008E04612EED6BC83F37115D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  0:11                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                         ` <fbdcf05b-ccd8-bd9c-c9c8-86f373303250-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  0:36                                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB30089271EB542493AA58060CD1C20-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13  1:30                                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                 ` <fb11f261-b80b-f71a-8076-204706267798-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-13 19:17                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-23 16:03                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-19  5:33                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB3008D488FEE8A7104A7B0A7CD1A60-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-19 17:12                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20170719171211.GB25714-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-20 15:06                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-22  2:29                                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                         ` <142c2fed-baa5-1295-1458-be765c94b957-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  4:50                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                             ` <VI1PR0502MB300886ED1B5B1363B55F53F0D1A50-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  5:03                                                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <e5cee768-586c-516a-6056-ea4a44f89134-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22  5:32                                                                                   ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <VI1PR0502MB30089915EB792CD20CA9D179D1A50-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 14:51                                                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <4444a96a-c1e6-ad33-204a-680982e19bfe-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 15:11                                                                                           ` Parav Pandit
2017-07-22 16:09                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <20170722160939.GA30007-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 17:32                                                                                               ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <VI1PR0502MB3008E483BB36F944C2E212ACD1A50-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 21:27                                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <20170722212706.GA14714-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 18:14                                                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
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2017-08-01 19:00                                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <20170801190052.GA31205-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-01 22:06                                                                                                               ` Parav Pandit
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2017-08-01 23:37                                                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <20170801233754.GB10239-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-02  0:30                                                                                                                       ` Parav Pandit
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2017-08-02  2:48                                                                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-27  9:47                               ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-06-12 16:29           ` Bart Van Assche
     [not found]             ` <1497284956.2770.8.camel-Sjgp3cTcYWE@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 16:51               ` Parav Pandit
2017-06-12 17:18   ` Steve Wise
2017-06-12 17:37     ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]       ` <VI1PR0502MB3008CE85A4F274886B74DF2BD1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 19:06         ` Dennis Dalessandro [this message]
     [not found]           ` <3fa7a4b5-5c19-8c6a-d78b-93219a9be888-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 19:19             ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]               ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142A9B-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:14                 ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                   ` <VI1PR0502MB300885A1DD676E1649CDB268D1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:35                     ` Dennis Dalessandro
     [not found]                       ` <b5279c09-027f-e374-ffde-7f236c52322c-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:46                         ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                           ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142BEC-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 20:57                             ` Steve Wise
2017-06-12 21:02                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20170612210259.GA25652-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:18                                   ` Steve Wise
2017-06-12 21:22                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-06-12 21:53                                     ` Parav Pandit
     [not found]                                       ` <VI1PR0502MB30082486BC3B1669FE48764ED1CD0-o1MPJYiShExKsLr+rGaxW8DSnupUy6xnnBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:57                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                           ` <20170612215741.GA31693-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 22:00                                             ` Parav Pandit
2017-06-13  5:29                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2017-06-12 20:41                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373AB142BC8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 21:25                         ` Parav Pandit

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