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From: Steve Wise <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rdreier-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"Tung,
	Chien Tin"
	<chien.tin.tung-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Waskiewicz Jr,
	Peter P"
	<peter.p.waskiewicz.jr-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] RDMA/CMA: fix iWARP adapter TCP port space usage
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:10:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C12EC89.1030305@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100612015652.GA7648-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 08:18:43PM -0500, Steve Wise wrote:
>
>   
>> Further, its not even needed for IB, just iWARP.  That's an unnecessary
>> admin pain IMO.
>>     
>
> IB already completely seperates from the host stack, that is why it
> isn't effected by this problem. It has both a seperate port numbering
> space (in rdma cm) and a separate addressing space (GID).
>
>   

By virtue of being a different L4 transport.   iWARP uses TCP as the L4 
and thus has these issues.

Also, from an application perspective,  IB has IP addresses that are 
shared with the TCP stack and the RDMA stack.  So it still appears as 
integrated.  At least with librdmacm applications...

> The entire problem with iWARP is that it is trying to not be
> seperate, unlike IB. So.. simple answer: use a seperate IP, or use a
> seperate port space (ie don't use the TCP protocol number).
>   


Change the iWARP specification?  I don't think that's a simple answer. :)


> ROCEE won't have this problem either..
>
>   
>> iWARP should and can easily co-exist with the host TCP by sharing
>> the port space.  But, as Roland stated already, maybe the only way
>> forward it to get end-user pressure applied at the appropriate
>> places! :)
>>     
>
> *shrug* This isn't going to happen until netdev decides to design-in
> statefull offload. I doubt that is going to happen any time
> soon. I've already seen Linux max out 40GE on benchmarks, so it is
> hard to see what the driver would be.
>
> Jason
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-12  2:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-11 12:47 [PATCH v2] RDMA/CMA: fix iWARP adapter TCP port space usage Chien Tung
2010-06-11 16:03 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]   ` <adapqzxy2sb.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 19:49     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904924CCE42-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 21:13         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]           ` <4C12A6E8.5040400-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:08             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]               ` <adamxv1w7cb.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:41                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20100611224126.GA4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:47                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <CF9C39F99A89134C9CF9C4CCB68B8DDF255F6BB9B7-osO9UTpF0USkrb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:55                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2010-06-11 23:40                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                       ` <4C12C971.4000909-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  0:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                           ` <20100612000431.GC4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  1:18                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                               ` <4C12E073.2040008-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  1:56                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                   ` <20100612015652.GA7648-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  2:10                                     ` Steve Wise [this message]
     [not found]                                       ` <4C12EC89.1030305-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  4:34                                         ` Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
     [not found]                                           ` <Pine.WNT.4.64.1006112117160.6192-sfjRBClDQW9noNDWh8xLylnYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  4:46                                             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                               ` <adaeigcx3hw.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  6:30                                                 ` Pradeep Satyanarayana
2010-06-12 15:17                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                   ` <4C13A526.3040500-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 14:14                                                     ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                       ` <OF026C9B22.332F6F2C-ONC1257745.00429E02-C1257745.004E411D-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 14:56                                                         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                           ` <4C1A378B.9030509-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 16:13                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
2010-06-23 17:30                                                         ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                           ` <ada8w65veq4.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 17:37                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                               ` <4C224652.2060601-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:33                                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                   ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E90492696E76-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:48                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 18:20                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                               ` <4C225078.6050001-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:28                                                                 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                   ` <adar5jxtxho.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:46                                                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                       ` <4C225697.6060702-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:45                                                                         ` Roland Dreier
2010-06-23 19:29                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20100623192909.GT4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:42                                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                               ` <4C2263B3.9010608-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:45                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <4C226441.5000904-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:49                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 19:52                                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20100623195210.GU4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:01                                                                                     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <adawrtpsem5.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:13                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 20:11                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <4C226A6F.4000801-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:09                                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20100623200937.GV4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:19                                                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <4C226C53.7080802-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:26                                                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <20100623202607.GW4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:39                                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 20:29                                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 19:17                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E90492696EF7-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:50                                                                         ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                           ` <ada6319ttnj.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:51                                                                             ` Tung, Chien Tin
2010-06-25 16:46                                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                                               ` <OFE69DF7DF.E7AB1B1F-ONC125774D.0035CCED-C125774D.005C2F46-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-25 20:14                                                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904926FF2A4-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-06 20:52                                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904928D9C9B-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-06 21:03                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <4C339A13.3030802-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 15:37                                                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <OF9B577A15.49E0F3EB-ONC1257759.005129F2-C1257759.0055D7D7-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 16:26                                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <4C34AAA6.2080909-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 18:10                                                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904928DA373-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 18:12                                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2010-06-12  5:22                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                               ` <20100612052242.GA17793-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12 14:51                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
2010-06-11 23:45                 ` Steve Wise
2010-06-11 19:40 ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinDsfGtQZUc6kfW2-pWK51V2SK3CLjE-8jDjfzN-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 19:52     ` Tung, Chien Tin

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