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From: Bang Nguyen <bang.nguyen-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tziporet Koren <tziporet-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Roland Dreier <roland-BHEL68pLQRGGvPXPguhicg@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Richard Frank
	<richard.frank-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Eli Cohen <eli-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Jack Morgenstein
	<jackm-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: APM support for IPoIB
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 09:06:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <506DB416.6030304@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <506BBDE3.3010904-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

  I'm experimenting with trying to model IPoIB-CM APM after RDMA-CM APM, 
particularly the protocol for loading/re-loading of the alternate path 
and will see how it goes..

Thanks, --Bang.

On 10/2/2012 9:24 PM, Bang Nguyen wrote:
>  Here is the presentation on RDMA-CM APM
>
> https://www.openfabrics.org/ofa-documents/presentations/doc_download/516-rdmacm-amp.html 
>
>
> On 10/2/2012 8:03 PM, Hefty, Sean wrote:
>>> Just a crazy thought but IPoIB could use RDMA-CM for all of its
>>> connection management stuff..this way it can leverage the APM 
>>> support in
>>> RDMA-CM..
>>>
>>> comments?...
>> ipoib predates the rdma cm, which is why it's written to the ib_cm 
>> directly.  Communication setup with the rdma cm follows these 3 steps.
>>
>> 1. address resolution - The rdma cm indirectly ends up using ipoib 
>> for this.  With ipoib, this step isn't necessary.  I think having 
>> AF_IB support would help this by avoiding this step, plus it 
>> restricts the rdma cm to using IB devices.
>> 2. route resolution (aka path record query) - Ipoib maintains its own 
>> path record cache.  It can set the rdma cm paths manually, or there 
>> would need to be some sort of rework.
>> 3. connection setup - formats the ib cm private data and exchanges 
>> messages.  The rdma cm would need to know the ipoib private data format.
>>
>> Sooo... ipoib wouldn't use address resolution.  It maintains its own 
>> path record cache, which is a significant piece of supporting APM.  
>> Ipoib probably doesn't need to maintain its own cache, but there's no 
>> decent alternative for kernel clients currently.  And connection 
>> setup using the rdma cm is only slightly easier than using the ib 
>> cm.  (I have no idea what APM support in the rdma cm looks like.)
>>
>> - Sean
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-04 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-01 22:23 APM support for IPoIB Bang Nguyen
     [not found] ` <506A17EA.8080400-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 23:53   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]     ` <20121001235303.GH22342-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02  0:02       ` Bang Nguyen
     [not found]         ` <506A2F01.8000605-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02  2:15           ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]             ` <CAL1RGDWmywbGg0vVb_MqRCHbdgMCZTGN5Y-dX6NkpWRB6P23ug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-02  8:12               ` Tziporet Koren
     [not found]                 ` <CD250C48050CFB4D95E78C95F2FDDD6E87470513-fViJhHBwANKuSA5JZHE7gA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-03  0:14                   ` Bang Nguyen
     [not found]                     ` <506B8365.9010507-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-03  3:03                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A8237346A98B11-Q3cL8pyY+6ukrb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-03  4:24                           ` Bang Nguyen
     [not found]                             ` <506BBDE3.3010904-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-04 16:06                               ` Bang Nguyen [this message]
2012-10-02 16:53       ` Paul Grun
2012-10-02 17:00         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2012-10-02 17:21         ` Hefty, Sean

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