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From: Hal Rosenstock <hal-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
To: "Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Hefty,
	Sean" <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"roland-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org"
	<roland-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/19] IB/core: Add IB_DEVICE_OPA_MAD_SUPPORT device cap flag
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 17:22:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54FE0F16.5090905@dev.mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC4F50B-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>

On 3/4/2015 11:41 AM, Weiny, Ira wrote:
>>
>>> InfiniBand	InfiniBand	InfiniBand Verbs
>>> iWARP		InfiniBand	iWARP Verbs (subset of IBV, with
>>> 				specific connection establishment
>>> 				requirements that don't exist with IBV)
>>> RoCE		Ethernet	InfiniBand Verbs (but with different
>>> 				addressing because of the different
>>> 				link layer)
>>> OPA		OPA		InfiniBand Verbs
>>
>> Verbs is an interface definition to hardware that has been twisted to be a
>> software API and extended to expose vendor-specific implementation 'features'
>> as extensions.  It is not a transport.
>>
>> The device capability bits seems to have evolved to mean: vendor A
>> implemented some random 'feature' in their hardware and wants all
>> applications to now check for this 'feature' and change their code to use it.
>> Basically, what gets defined as a device cap is rather arbitrary.
>>
> 
> This was the point I was trying to make and the reason the OPA MAD support was implemented as a device capability.

The proposed device capability stands for a change that is way more
drastic than just a vendor extension. This is a device running a
completely different wire protocol which does not interoperate with the
IB device that is impersonating.

Also, it does not come under the same jurisdication as IB. It is
entirely possible that IBTA could make some change in the future where
OPA can no longer masquerade as IB.

OPA must also be identifiable by any verbs or management application. To
do that, it should be properly represented in node type, transport type,
and link layer as all the other RDMA technologies have been regardless
of the changes needed. All the other RDMA technologies have gone through
this process.

-- Hal

> Ira
> 

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2015-02-04 23:29 [PATCH v4 00/19] IB/mad: Add support for Intel Omni-Path Architecture (OPA) MAD processing ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found] ` <1423092585-26692-1-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 01/19] IB/mad: Rename is_data_mad to is_rmpp_data_mad ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 02/19] IB/core: Cache device attributes for use by upper level drivers ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-3-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 20:43       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD574-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-06 22:10           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150406221044.GA433-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-06 22:43               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBDE3E-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 16:01                   ` ira.weiny
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 03/19] IB/mad: Change validate_mad signature to take ib_mad_hdr rather than ib_mad ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-4-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 21:20       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 04/19] IB/mad: Change ib_response_mad " ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-5-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 21:20       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 05/19] IB/mad: Change cast in rcv_has_same_class ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 06/19] IB/core: Add max_mad_size to ib_device_attr ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-7-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 14:16       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]         ` <1424787385.4847.16.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 18:13           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC3ECE5-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 18:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150225182308.GA14580-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 18:32                   ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                     ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC3ED5B-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 18:43                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 07/19] IB/mad: Convert ib_mad_private allocations from kmem_cache to kmalloc ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-8-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-24 14:22       ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]         ` <1424787735.4847.19.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 18:23           ` Weiny, Ira
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 08/19] IB/mad: Add helper function for smi_handle_dr_smp_send ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-9-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 21:28       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 09/19] IB/mad: Add helper function for smi_handle_dr_smp_recv ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 10/19] IB/mad: Add helper function for smi_check_forward_dr_smp ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 11/19] IB/mad: Add helper function for SMI processing ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 12/19] IB/mad: Add MAD size parameters to process_mad ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-13-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 22:40       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD692-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 17:23           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150407172303.GB433-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 17:53               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBE224-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 16:07                   ` ira.weiny
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 13/19] IB/mad: Add base version parameter to ib_create_send_mad ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 14/19] IB/core: Add IB_DEVICE_OPA_MAD_SUPPORT device cap flag ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-15-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-06 20:35       ` Hal Rosenstock
     [not found]         ` <54D52589.8020305-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 15:40           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC244A8-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 14:00               ` Hal Rosenstock
     [not found]                 ` <54DCB1E9.7010309-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-17 21:25                   ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                     ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC29020-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-23 18:54                       ` Hal Rosenstock
     [not found]                         ` <54EB7756.7070407-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25  0:29                           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC3D330-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-25 17:13                               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                 ` <1424884438.4847.91.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04  7:21                                   ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                     ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC4F18C-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 16:02                                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A8237399E6F06F-8oqHQFITsIHTXloPLtfHfbfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-04 16:41                                           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC4F50B-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09 21:22                                               ` Hal Rosenstock [this message]
     [not found]                                                 ` <54FE0F16.5090905-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-11  7:27                                                   ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                                     ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC5C11A-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-16 23:59                                                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A8237399E8106A-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-17 23:36                                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A8237399E818C6-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 13:38                                                               ` Michael Wang
2015-03-20 13:48                                                               ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                                                                 ` <6A3D3202-0128-4F33-B596-D7A76AB66DF8@gmail.com>
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20150320235748.GA22703@phlsvsds.ph.intel.com>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20150320235748.GA22703-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-21  0:05                                                                       ` ira.weiny
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20150321000541.GA24717-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-21  7:49                                                                           ` Yun Wang
     [not found]                                                                             ` <CAJuTgQUsZ34F-dKpsmW+5=axDWb93pA43LZ-qKbEjqyu-RUUmg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-23 16:31                                                                               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A8237399E82E58-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-24 12:49                                                                                   ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <55115D61.9040201-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-25 10:30                                                                                       ` Michael Wang
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <55128E48.1080406-EIkl63zCoXaH+58JC4qpiA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-02 22:45                                                                                           ` ira.weiny
2015-03-06 17:47                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150306174729.GE22375-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-06 22:47                                           ` Weiny, Ira
     [not found]                                             ` <2807E5FD2F6FDA4886F6618EAC48510E0CC53437-8k97q/ur5Z2krb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09 21:23                                               ` Hal Rosenstock
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 15/19] IB/mad: Create jumbo_mad data structures ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-16-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 23:08       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD6C8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-04  0:14           ` Hefty, Sean
2015-04-08 15:33           ` ira.weiny
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 16/19] IB/mad: Add Intel Omni-Path Architecture defines ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-17-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 23:33       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD708-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 21:41           ` ira.weiny
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 17/19] IB/mad: Implement support for Intel Omni-Path Architecture base version MADs in ib_create_send_mad ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-18-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 23:40       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD722-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 21:36           ` ira.weiny
     [not found]             ` <20150408213612.GG433-W4f6Xiosr+yv7QzWx2u06xL4W9x8LtSr@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 21:44               ` Hefty, Sean
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 18/19] IB/mad: Implement Intel Omni-Path Architecture SMP processing ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-19-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-03 23:47       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD742-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-09  4:41           ` ira.weiny
2015-02-04 23:29   ` [PATCH v4 19/19] IB/mad: Implement Intel Omni-Path Architecture MAD processing ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w
     [not found]     ` <1423092585-26692-20-git-send-email-ira.weiny-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-04  1:44       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBD9DE-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07  2:29           ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20150407022954.GA7531-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 16:57               ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                 ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBE150-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 17:16                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20150407171659.GA15634-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 17:41                       ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                         ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBE1EB-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 18:06                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-04-07 17:15             ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]               ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FBE17D-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 17:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20150407171920.GB15634-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08 21:24                     ` ira.weiny
2015-02-06 20:34   ` [PATCH v4 00/19] IB/mad: Add support for Intel Omni-Path Architecture (OPA) " Hal Rosenstock
     [not found]     ` <54D52562.5050408-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-09 21:20       ` Weiny, Ira

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