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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagig@dev.mellanox.co.il>
To: "Hefty, Sean" <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	'Christoph Hellwig' <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	Steve Wise <swise@opengridcomputing.com>,
	"dledford@redhat.com" <dledford@redhat.com>,
	"sagig@mellanox.com" <sagig@mellanox.com>,
	"ogerlitz@mellanox.com" <ogerlitz@mellanox.com>,
	"roid@mellanox.com" <roid@mellanox.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"eli@mellanox.com" <eli@mellanox.com>,
	"target-devel@vger.kernel.org" <target-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"trond.myklebust@primarydata.com"
	<trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	"bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Oren Duer <oren@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 11:46:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <559E34F8.4080507@dev.mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FFD4C0@ORSMSX109.amr.corp.intel.com>

On 7/8/2015 8:14 PM, Hefty, Sean wrote:
>> I am still not clear if all of us agree that we need it.
>> Sean and Steve had some disclaimers...
>
> A single entry point doesn't help a whole lot if the app must deal with different behavior based on how the API is used.

It is true that different MRs will be used differently. However, not
once we have found ourselves extending an API to add functionality. This
means changing the API signature and changing all the call sites. Just
recently we saw this in Steve's mr_roles and in Matan's timestamping
support (changed ib_create_cq). When was the last time ib_create_qp API
was modified?

> We have a single entry point for post_send, for example, and that makes things worse.

I don't necessarily agree. the fact that post_send have multiple entry
points allows the consumer to concatenate a couple of those in a single
post. That's beneficial to get maximum performance from your HW.

> IMO, we need fewer registration *methods* not fewer calls.

I do agree that we need fewer registration methods. Let's review what
we have today:

- FRWR: which is *the* standard way to register memory. It's fast,
   non-blocking and has vast support.

- FMR: which is only supported in some Mellanox devices if I'm not
   mistaken, it's fast, but has slow invalidation (unmap). It is also not
   supported over VF.
   * FMR_POOL API was designed to address the slow unmap but created a
     week invalidation semantics (unmap is done only when some number of
     remapping is met).

- REG_PHYS_MR: which is supported by some devices. It actually
   combines both MR allocation and registration in a single call (it is
   the equivalent of user-space ibv_reg_mr)

I don't consider the dma_mr a registration method. It provides physical
memory access.

As for REG_PHYS_MR, this is the only synchronous registration method in
the kernel. It is a simple interface, which is currently used by 
xprtrdma when dma mr is not supported. We can consider removing it in
the future if it turns out to be non useful.

As for FMR/FMR_POOL, I'd much rather to wait until it becomes
deprecated on it's own rather than try and incorporate it in a
modernized API.

I think the stack can converge on FRWR as its primary registration
method. Let's focus on making it better.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-09  8:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-05 23:21 [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags Steve Wise
2015-07-06  5:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-06 14:23     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  8:58       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]   ` <20150705232158.12029.25472.stgit-PBeJgSbIpn97NCTnQtmixQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-06  7:09     ` Haggai Eran
     [not found]       ` <559A2991.3040304-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-06 14:29         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:17       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 14:34         ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-07 14:46           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 15:07             ` Haggai Eran
2015-07-06  7:53     ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 14:37       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-06 16:17         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-06 16:55           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  9:00           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]             ` <20150707090001.GB11736-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-07  9:14               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                 ` <559B9891.8060907-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-07 14:05                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07 16:17                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                       ` <20150707161751.GA623-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-07 16:27                         ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                           ` <559BFE03.4020709-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-07 21:36                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-08  7:29                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                 ` <559CD174.4040901-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08  8:13                                   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                     ` <20150708081320.GB24203-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 10:05                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                         ` <559CF5E8.6080000-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 10:20                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                             ` <20150708102035.GA28421-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 11:08                                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                 ` <559D0498.9050809-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 17:14                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-09  8:46                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2015-07-09 13:52                                                       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 19:34                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-12  7:49                                                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-13 16:50                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  8:06                                                               ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                                 ` <55A4C2FA.9060707-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 12:24                                                                   ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                                     ` <55A4FF93.4090406-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 13:21                                                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-23  0:43                                                                       ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-08 19:08                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                   ` <20150708190842.GB11740-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 20:32                                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  0:03                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150709000337.GE16812-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-09  8:00                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  8:58                                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-09 22:18                                           ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-09 22:53                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 13:22                                               ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                 ` <559FC710.1050307-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 16:11                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 17:56                                                     ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 18:34                                                       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-10 18:42                                                       ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                         ` <55A01225.9000000-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 19:54                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-10 20:48                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                             ` <20150710195420.GA31500-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 22:33                                                               ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-11 10:17                                                               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20150711101736.GA14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 16:57                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  7:25                                                                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14  9:05                                                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 15:35                                                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 17:26                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20150714172655.GB24403-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15  7:10                                                                             ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-10 22:30                                                           ` Doug Ledford
2015-07-10 20:57                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20150710205706.GA7883-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 22:27                                                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                                             ` <20150710233417.GA8919@obsidianresearch.com>
     [not found]                                                               ` <20150710233417.GA8919-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-11  3:10                                                                 ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                                                   ` <55A0891F.4050105-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 17:18                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 22:23                                                                       ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-11 16:37                                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                       ` <CCB6E837-88FF-4DBB-976D-4CF56396A1A1-/Yg/VP3ZvrM@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-12 10:46                                                         ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                           ` <55A24571.60902-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 19:25                                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:29                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20150714192941.GA26292-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 19:32                                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 19:37                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:55                                                                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14 20:10                                                                       ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20150714195511.GB7716-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 20:29                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20150714202943.GB26927-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 20:40                                                                             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:44                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20150714204442.GD26927-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 20:54                                                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:59                                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:50                                                                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-15  8:47                                                                             ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                                               ` <55A61E38.20201-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 12:19                                                                                 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20150715121926.GB14993-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 19:17                                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-15  6:50                                                                           ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                                             ` <20150715065057.GA22113-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-15 19:12                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20150715191257.GF23588-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16  6:41                                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-16  8:04                                                                                   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20150716080402.GC9093-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-16 16:13                                                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 20:46                                                                     ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 19:45                                                               ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20150714194512.GA25887-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 19:57                                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14 19:58                                                                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 20:41                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20150714204145.GC26927-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 20:51                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:01                                                                           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 21:14                                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-23 18:53                                                                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                                       ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A901C9A5-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-23 19:03                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-23 23:30                                                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A901DB80-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-23 23:53                                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20150723235310.GA20537-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-24  0:18                                                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
2015-07-24  4:46                                                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                       ` <20150708203205.GA21847-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-08 20:37                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-09  8:47                                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-08 21:38                                   ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-08 23:36                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 11:02                                       ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                         ` <559E54AB.2010905-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-09 17:01                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-09 20:00                                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-09 21:16                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20150709170142.GA21921-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10  8:55                                               ` kernel memory registration (was: RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags) Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                 ` <559F8881.7070308-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-10 16:35                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:31                                                   ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                     ` <20150711103153.GC14741-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-13 16:46                                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                         ` <20150713164652.GC23832-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  8:24                                                           ` kernel memory registration Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                             ` <55A4C73A.7080001-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 17:24                                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-11 10:25                                             ` [PATCH V3 1/5] RDMA/core: Transport-independent access flags 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-13 16:35                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-13 19:36                                               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-13 20:15                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                   ` <20150713201538.GA11681-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14  9:10                                                     ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                       ` <55A4D20C.2000904-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 15:36                                                         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
     [not found]                                                           ` <20150714153619.GC11026-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 15:47                                                             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 16:22                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-14  7:37                                                 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-14  9:22                                                   ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]                                                     ` <55A4D4C6.6040907-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-14 12:12                                                       ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-14 13:23                                                         ` Sagi Grimberg
2015-07-14 14:45                                                       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-14 15:40                                                       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-08  8:11                     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2015-07-06  7:58     ` Sagi Grimberg
     [not found]       ` <559A3536.3020807-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-06 14:39         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22 ` [PATCH V3 2/5] RDMA/iser: Use transport independent MR allocation Steve Wise
     [not found] ` <20150705231831.12029.80307.stgit-PBeJgSbIpn97NCTnQtmixQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-05 23:22   ` [PATCH V3 3/5] RDMA/isert: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22   ` [PATCH V3 4/5] svcrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-05 23:22   ` [PATCH V3 5/5] xprtrdma: " Steve Wise
2015-07-06  5:25   ` [PATCH V3 0/5] Transport-independent MRs Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]     ` <20150706052542.GB1109-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-07-06 14:24       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-07  9:01         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'

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