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From: Alexandra Winter <wintera@linux.ibm.com>
To: dust.li@linux.alibaba.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
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	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
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	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 11/17] net/dibs: Move struct device to dibs_dev
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 13:59:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <88d261d1-b1fe-447f-a928-02dec6141b0b@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJ6TsutbywkTLWxO@linux.alibaba.com>



On 15.08.25 03:56, Dust Li wrote:
> On 2025-08-14 10:51:27, Alexandra Winter wrote:
>>
>> On 06.08.25 17:41, Alexandra Winter wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Replace smcd->ops->get_dev(smcd) by dibs_get_dev().
>>>
>> Looking at the resulting code, I don't really like this concept of a *_get_dev() function,
>> that does not call get_device().
>> I plan to replace that by using dibs->dev directly in the next version.
> May I ask why? Because of the function name ? If so, maybe we can change the name.

Yes the name. Especially, as it is often used as argument for get_device() or put_device().
Eventually I would like to provide dibs_get_dev()/dibs_put_dev() that actually
do refcounting.
And then I thought defining dibs_read_dev() is not helping readability.

> 
> While I don't have a strong preference either way, I personally favor
> hiding the members of the dibs_dev structure from the upper layer. In my
> opinion, it would be better to avoid direct access to dibs members from
> upper layers and instead provide dedicated interface functions.
> 
> For example, I even think we should not expose dibs->ops->xxx directly
> to the SMC layer. Encapsulating such details would improve modularity
> and maintainability. Just like what IB subsystem has done before :)
> 
> For example:
> # git grep dibs net/smc
> [...]
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      return dibs->ops->query_remote_gid(dibs, &ism_rgid, vlan_id ? 1 : 0,
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      return smcd->dibs->ops->get_fabric_id(smcd->dibs);
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      if (!smcd->dibs->ops->add_vlan_id)
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      if (smcd->dibs->ops->add_vlan_id(smcd->dibs, vlanid)) {
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      if (!smcd->dibs->ops->del_vlan_id)
> net/smc/smc_ism.c:      if (smcd->dibs->ops->del_vlan_id(smcd->dibs, vlanid))
> [...]
> 
> Best regards,
> Dust


I see your point and I remember you brought that up in your review of
[RFC net-next 0/7] Provide an ism layer
already.

I tried to keep this series to a meaningful minimum, which is a tradeoff.
If possible, I just wanted to move code around and add the dibs layer
in-between. There are several areas where I would like to see even more
de-coupling. eg.:
- handle_irq(): Clients should not run in interrupt context,
  a receive_data() callback function would be better.
- The device drivers should not loop through the client array
- dibs_dev_op.*_dmb() functions reveal unnecessary details of the
  internal dmb struct to the clients
- ...

So instead of adding a set of 1:1 caller functions / interface functions
for dibs_dev_ops and dibs_client_ops now, I would like to propose to work
on further decoupling devices and clients by adding more abstractions that
bring benefit. And then replace the remaining calls to ops by 1:1 caller
functions. Does that make sense? Or does anybody feel strongly that I need
to provide interface functions now?

BTW, there are some client-only functions and some device-driver-only functions
in dibs.h already. So that is the direction.






  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-06 15:41 [RFC net-next 00/17] dibs - Direct Internal Buffer Sharing Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 01/17] net/smc: Remove __init marker from smc_core_init() Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07  3:34   ` Dust Li
2025-08-07  7:01     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 02/17] s390/ism: Log module load/unload Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 03/17] net/smc: Remove error handling of unregister_dmb() Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 11:03   ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 11:28     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:53       ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 04/17] net/smc: Decouple sf and attached send_buf in smc_loopback Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:00   ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 11:35     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-11 12:03       ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 05/17] net/smc: Improve log message for devices w/o pnetid Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:07   ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 14:10     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 06/17] net/dibs: Create net/dibs Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 07/17] net/dibs: Register smc as dibs_client Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 08/17] net/dibs: Register ism as dibs device Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 16:37   ` Simon Horman
2025-08-07 18:19     ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:36       ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:46   ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 14:27     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:52       ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 09/17] net/dibs: Define dibs loopback Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 10/17] net/dibs: Define dibs_client_ops and dibs_dev_ops Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 19:47   ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:38     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-10 14:53   ` Dust Li
2025-08-11 15:12     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-12 22:58       ` Dust Li
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 11/17] net/dibs: Move struct device to dibs_dev Alexandra Winter
2025-08-14  8:51   ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-15  1:56     ` Dust Li
2025-08-15 11:59       ` Alexandra Winter [this message]
2025-08-15 15:18         ` Dust Li
2025-09-01 12:46           ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 12/17] net/dibs: Create class dibs Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 13/17] net/dibs: Local gid for dibs devices Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 14/17] net/dibs: Move vlan support to dibs_dev_ops Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 15/17] net/dibs: Move query_remote_gid() " Alexandra Winter
2025-08-11  9:34   ` Julian Ruess
2025-08-14 14:49     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 16/17] net/dibs: Move data path to dibs layer Alexandra Winter
2025-08-07 20:34   ` Simon Horman
2025-08-08 18:38     ` Alexandra Winter
2025-08-06 15:41 ` [RFC net-next 17/17] net/dibs: Move event handling " Alexandra Winter

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