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From: Roland Dreier <rdreier-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Bernard Metzler <BMT-OA+xvbQnYDHMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Steve Wise
	<swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>,
	"Tung,
	Chien Tin"
	<chien.tin.tung-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
	<peter.p.waskiewicz.jr-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] RDMA/CMA: fix iWARP adapter TCP port space usage
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:30:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ada8w65veq4.fsf@roland-alpha.cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF026C9B22.332F6F2C-ONC1257745.00429E02-C1257745.004E411D-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (Bernard Metzler's message of "Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:14:44 +0200")

 > iWARP is just another protocol on top of TCP - like iSCSI. There is
 > no good reason to invent another TCP port maintainer per TCP user
 > type trying to synchonize with the kernel if the resource is host
 > global and already maintained by the kernel.

I think the counter-argument to this is than an iWARP offload NIC is an
independent TCP stack and hence should not be tied into the host stack.
It's interesting that you bring up iSCSI -- as I understand things,
iSCSI offload HBAs are typically configured with their own IP, through a
separate mechanism.  (The port collision problem is not likely to be hit
with iSCSI, since the HBA is an initiator and hence does only active
connections, and a 4-tuple collision between connections to the iSCSI
target is not likely and other host stack traffic is extremely unlikely)

 > Since we are developing and already open sourced a full software
 > implementation (SoftiWARP) of RDMA, our view on the optimal solution
 > must be different. Like kernel iSCSI, we are running on top of regular
 > kernel sockets. With that, there is no point having a connection manager
 > blocking just the port we wanted to use for communication - SoftiWARP
 > uses kernel sockets for data communication.

I think this is an extremely strong argument against the patch that
started the thread.  Breaking soft iWARP seems a fatal flaw.

 - R.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-23 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-11 12:47 [PATCH v2] RDMA/CMA: fix iWARP adapter TCP port space usage Chien Tung
2010-06-11 16:03 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]   ` <adapqzxy2sb.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 19:49     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904924CCE42-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 21:13         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]           ` <4C12A6E8.5040400-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:08             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]               ` <adamxv1w7cb.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:41                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                   ` <20100611224126.GA4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:47                     ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                       ` <CF9C39F99A89134C9CF9C4CCB68B8DDF255F6BB9B7-osO9UTpF0USkrb+BlOpmy7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 22:55                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2010-06-11 23:40                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                       ` <4C12C971.4000909-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  0:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                           ` <20100612000431.GC4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  1:18                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                               ` <4C12E073.2040008-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  1:56                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                   ` <20100612015652.GA7648-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  2:10                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                       ` <4C12EC89.1030305-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  4:34                                         ` Peter P Waskiewicz Jr
     [not found]                                           ` <Pine.WNT.4.64.1006112117160.6192-sfjRBClDQW9noNDWh8xLylnYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  4:46                                             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                               ` <adaeigcx3hw.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12  6:30                                                 ` Pradeep Satyanarayana
2010-06-12 15:17                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                   ` <4C13A526.3040500-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 14:14                                                     ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                       ` <OF026C9B22.332F6F2C-ONC1257745.00429E02-C1257745.004E411D-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 14:56                                                         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                           ` <4C1A378B.9030509-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-17 16:13                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
2010-06-23 17:30                                                         ` Roland Dreier [this message]
     [not found]                                                           ` <ada8w65veq4.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 17:37                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                               ` <4C224652.2060601-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:33                                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                   ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E90492696E76-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:48                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 18:20                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                               ` <4C225078.6050001-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:28                                                                 ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                   ` <adar5jxtxho.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:46                                                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                       ` <4C225697.6060702-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 18:45                                                                         ` Roland Dreier
2010-06-23 19:29                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20100623192909.GT4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:42                                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                               ` <4C2263B3.9010608-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:45                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <4C226441.5000904-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:49                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 19:52                                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <20100623195210.GU4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:01                                                                                     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <adawrtpsem5.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:13                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 20:11                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <4C226A6F.4000801-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:09                                                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20100623200937.GV4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:19                                                                                             ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <4C226C53.7080802-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:26                                                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <20100623202607.GW4630-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:39                                                                                                     ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 20:29                                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
2010-06-23 19:17                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E90492696EF7-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 19:50                                                                         ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                                                                           ` <ada6319ttnj.fsf-BjVyx320WGW9gfZ95n9DRSW4+XlvGpQz@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-23 20:51                                                                             ` Tung, Chien Tin
2010-06-25 16:46                                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                                               ` <OFE69DF7DF.E7AB1B1F-ONC125774D.0035CCED-C125774D.005C2F46-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-25 20:14                                                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904926FF2A4-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-06 20:52                                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904928D9C9B-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-06 21:03                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <4C339A13.3030802-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 15:37                                                                                             ` Bernard Metzler
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <OF9B577A15.49E0F3EB-ONC1257759.005129F2-C1257759.0055D7D7-Xeyd2O9EBijQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 16:26                                                                                                 ` Steve Wise
     [not found]                                                                                                   ` <4C34AAA6.2080909-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 18:10                                                                                                     ` Tung, Chien Tin
     [not found]                                                                                                       ` <2EFBCAEF10980645BBCFB605689E08E904928DA373-uLM7Qlg6MbdZtRGVdHMbwrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-07 18:12                                                                                                         ` Steve Wise
2010-06-12  5:22                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                               ` <20100612052242.GA17793-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-12 14:51                                                 ` Tung, Chien Tin
2010-06-11 23:45                 ` Steve Wise
2010-06-11 19:40 ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTinDsfGtQZUc6kfW2-pWK51V2SK3CLjE-8jDjfzN-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-11 19:52     ` Tung, Chien Tin

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