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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] rcu: Add rcu_read_lock_notrace()
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:09:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250716110922.0dadc4ec@batman.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16dd7f3c-1c0f-4dfd-bfee-4c07ec844b72@paulmck-laptop>

On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 10:05:26 -0700
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org> wrote:

> This trace point will invoke rcu_read_unlock{,_notrace}(), which will
> note that preemption is disabled.  If rcutree.use_softirq is set and
> this task is blocking an expedited RCU grace period, it will directly
> invoke the non-notrace function raise_softirq_irqoff().  Otherwise,
> it will directly invoke the non-notrace function irq_work_queue_on().

Just to clarify some things; A function annotated by "notrace" simply
will not have the ftrace hook to that function, but that function may
very well have tracing triggered inside of it.

Functions with "_notrace" in its name (like preempt_disable_notrace())
should not have any tracing instrumentation (as Mathieu stated)
inside of it, so that it can be used in the tracing infrastructure.

raise_softirq_irqoff() has a tracepoint inside of it. If we have the
tracing infrastructure call that, and we happen to enable that
tracepoint, we will have:

  raise_softirq_irqoff()
     trace_softirq_raise()
       [..]
         raise_softirq_irqoff()
            trace_softirq_raise()
               [..]
                 Ad infinitum!

I'm not sure if that's what is being proposed or not, but I just wanted
to make sure everyone is aware of the above.

-- Steve
-

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-07-16 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-13 15:22 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Switch tracing from sched-RCU to preempt-RCU Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-06-13 15:22 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] rcu: Add rcu_read_lock_notrace() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-06-18 17:21   ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-20  8:43     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-06-20 11:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-06-23 10:49         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-06-23 18:13           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-07 21:56             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-08 19:40               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-08 20:49                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-09 14:31                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-09 18:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-11 13:46                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-11 17:05                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-14 16:34                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-15 19:56                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-15 23:23                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-15 19:54                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-15 23:18                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16  0:42                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16  4:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16 15:09                           ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2025-07-16 20:35                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-16 22:54                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 13:14                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-17 14:46                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-17 15:18                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 19:36                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-17 21:27                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07  1:26                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-06 15:08                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-06 18:30                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-06 18:43                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-17 14:57                                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-07-17 15:12                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 15:27                                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-07-17 15:40                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 15:55                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 16:02                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-07-17 16:19                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 17:38                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-17 16:04                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 15:44                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 15:30                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 15:07                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 19:04                                 ` [PATCH RFC 6/4] srcu: Add guards for SRCU-fast readers Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 19:19                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 19:51                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-17 19:56                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-17 20:38                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-19  0:28                                 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] rcu: Add rcu_read_lock_notrace() Paul E. McKenney
2025-06-13 15:22 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] trace: Use rcu_read_lock() instead preempt_disable() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-06-13 15:38 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Switch tracing from sched-RCU to preempt-RCU Mathieu Desnoyers

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