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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Xie Yuanbin <xieyuanbin1@huawei.com>
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux@armlinux.org.uk,
	tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] ARM: Disable jump-label on PREEMPT_RT.
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 08:23:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251030072339.63vdFNo3@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251030023959.5416-1-xieyuanbin1@huawei.com>

On 2025-10-30 10:39:59 [+0800], Xie Yuanbin wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 16:59:17 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > jump-labels are used to efficiently switch between two possible code
> > paths. To achieve this, stop_machine() is used to keep the CPU in a
> > known state while the opcode is modified. The usage of stop_machine()
> > here leads to large latency spikes which can be observed on PREEMPT_RT.
> >
> > Jump labels may change the target during runtime and are not restricted
> > to debug or "configuration/ setup" part of a PREEMPT_RT system where
> > high latencies could be defined as acceptable.
> >
> > Disable jump-label support on a PREEMPT_RT system.
> 
> This sounds like a performance issue rather than a feature issue.
> Banning users from using the jump label because of a performance problem
> seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
> Perhaps we could add a config like CONFIG_ARM_JUMP_LABEL_RT_FORCE that
> allows users to select, and inform users in the description about
> potential latency.

It is not a performance issue, it is a latency issue. If the scheduling
latency increases by 300us because of this then the PREEMPT_RT system
becomes worthless.

> Xie Yuanbin

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30  7:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 15:59 [PATCH 0/5] ARM: Remaining PREEMPT_RT bits Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/5] ARM: mm: fault: Move harden_branch_predictor() before interrupts are enabled Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:59 ` [PATCH 2/5] ARM: mm: fault: Enable interrupts before invoking __do_user_fault() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:59 ` [PATCH 3/5] ARM: Disable FAST_GUP on PREEMPT_RT if HIGHPTE is also enabled Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30 15:15   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-30 15:24     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:59 ` [PATCH 4/5] ARM: Disable jump-label on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30  2:39   ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-10-30  7:23     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2025-10-30  7:45       ` Xie Yuanbin
2025-10-30  7:55         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30  9:46           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-30  9:56             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30 10:05               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-30 10:38           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-10-30 11:10             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30 15:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-30 15:28     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:59 ` [PATCH 5/5] ARM: Allow to enable RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-30 15:18   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-10-30 15:22     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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