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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Kyle McMartin <jkkm@meta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux RT Development <linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH sched/core] sched/rt: Fix RT_PUSH_IPI soft lockup loop
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 21:31:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260513213108.2870a1e7@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <agUdAatmlqQc1NS_@slm.duckdns.org>

On Wed, 13 May 2026 14:53:21 -1000
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> > This still doesn't explain to me why the current process is of a lower
> > priority than a waiting RT task.  
> 
> 1. The CPU was running a fair task.
> 
> 2. IRQ triggers which creates softirq work.
> 
> 3. Either IRQ, softirq or another CPU wakes up multiple RT tasks to the CPU.
> 
> 4. The CPU enters softirq.

OK, this is what I was missing. The fact that the CPU was running a
softirq at the time that was running for a very long time that prevents
the schedule from happening.

> 
> 5. Other CPUs keep sending pull IPIs, slowing softirq processing.
> 
> 6. Before softirq processing finishes, another IRQ happens which creates
>    more softirq work. Go back to 4.
> 
> > I'm really starting to think you are fixing a symptom and not the cause.  
> 
> It seems relatively straightforward to me. The CPU was relatively loaded
> with irq/softirq. While in irq context, RT tasks wake up to it and then the
> CPU gets hammered by pull IPIs to the point where it's constantly chasing
> new softirq work and thus can't leave irq context in a reasonable amount of
> time. What am I missing?

So if the current task running is SCHED_OTHER we still need to handle
the case where the next task is pinned, as it will cause a warning
again if it tries to move the fair task, especially since that doesn't
fix the overloading.

I think this requires a bit more complex fix. Perhaps if the current
task is fair and the next task is pinned, it needs to look for the task
after that one to move.

-- Steve

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-14  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260506235716.2530720-1-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20260507141437.GJ3102624@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
2026-05-12 15:37   ` [PATCH sched/core] sched/rt: Fix RT_PUSH_IPI soft lockup loop Steven Rostedt
2026-05-12 18:07     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 21:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-13 19:39         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  0:24           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-14  0:53             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  1:31               ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2026-05-14  1:42                 ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  2:01                   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-05-14  4:48                     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 20:10     ` Valentin Schneider

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