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From: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
To: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	david@redhat.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	imran.f.khan@oracle.com, kamalesh.babulal@oracle.com,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 04/26] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru()
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:16:43 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aRKqm24Lrg-JnCoh@hyeyoo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8d6655f8-2756-45bb-85c1-223c3a5e656c@linux.dev>

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 11:04:09AM +0800, Qi Zheng wrote:
> 
> On 11/11/25 12:47 AM, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 02:43:21PM +0900, Harry Yoo wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 12:30:06PM +0800, Qi Zheng wrote:
> > > > > Maybe we could make it safe against re-entrant IRQ handlers by using
> > > > > read-modify-write operations?
> > > > 
> > > > Isn't it because of the RMW operation that we need to use IRQ to
> > > > guarantee atomicity? Or have I misunderstood something?
> > > 
> > > I meant using atomic operations instead of disabling IRQs, like, by
> > > using this_cpu_add() or cmpxchg() instead.
> > 
> > We already have mod_node_page_state() which is safe from IRQs and is
> > optimized to not disable IRQs for archs with HAVE_CMPXCHG_LOCAL which
> > includes x86 and arm64.
> 
> However, in the !CONFIG_HAVE_CMPXCHG_LOCAL case, mod_node_page_state()
> still calls local_irq_save(). Is this feasible in the PREEMPT_RT kernel?

Hmm I was going to say it's necessary, but AFAICT we don't allocate
or free memory in hardirq context on PREEMPT_RT (that's the policy)
and so I'd say it's not necessary to disable IRQs.

Sounds like we still want to disable IRQs only on !PREEMPT_RT on
such architectures?

Not sure how seriously do PREEMPT_RT folks care about architectures
without HAVE_CMPXCHG_LOCAL. (riscv and loongarch have ARCH_SUPPORTS_RT
but doesn't have HAVE_CMPXCHG_LOCAL).

If they do care, this can be done as a separate patch series because
we already call local_irq_{save,restore}() in many places in mm/vmstat.c
if the architecture doesn't not have HAVE_CMPXCHG_LOCAL.

> > Let me send the patch to cleanup the memcg code which uses
> > __mod_node_page_state.

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-11  3:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-11-07  5:11   ` [PATCH v1 04/26] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Harry Yoo
2025-11-07  6:41     ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-07 13:20       ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-08  6:32         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-10  2:13           ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-10  4:30             ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-10  5:43               ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-10  6:11                 ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-10 16:47                 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11  0:42                   ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-11  3:04                   ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11  3:16                     ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2025-11-11  3:23                       ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-11  8:49                       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-11 16:44                         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-12  7:49                           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-12  8:46                             ` Harry Yoo
2025-11-12  8:54                               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-11-12 15:45                           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-11  3:17                     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-11-11  3:24                       ` Qi Zheng
2025-11-07  7:18     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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