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From: Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: "Leonardo Bras" <leobras.c@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
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	"Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] swap: apply new pw_queue_on() interface
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 18:28:52 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alVYlIPpCEUNBjeA@WindFlash> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260713073158.CHjwei-N@linutronix.de>

On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 09:31:58AM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2026-07-12 18:43:48 [-0300], Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > I thought that this improved since commit
> > >   ff042f4a9b050 ("mm: lru_cache_disable: replace work queue synchronization with synchronize_rcu")
> > > 
> > > Did it get worse or was it not entirely gone?
> > > 
> > 
> > I worked in this patchset majorly after that commit date, and it was still 
> > an issue up to last time Marcelo tested. Not sure of the impact of above 
> > commit, but I suppose it may have brought some improvements without fully 
> > fixing it.
> 
> It would be good to know what is still missing and maybe it can be
> addressed without introducing this remote locking.
> 

I get the point, but the main idea is to make this as proof of concept of 
the mechanism, that can use to solve the latency introduced by IPIs from 
per-cpu workqueues.

I remember discussing all those examples with Marcelo in the past, and IIRC 
to solve this we would either have to use per-cpu spinlocks, which is 
undesired in terms of performance on !RT, or skip remote operations in 
isolated cpus, which may have weird behaviors, or disable caches in 
isolated cpus which is terrible for performance there.

In any case, the main goal is to get something generic enough to deal with 
most cases, not an individual solution.

Thanks!
Leo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-13 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-19  1:27 [PATCH v4 0/4] Introduce Per-CPU Work helpers (was QPW) Leonardo Bras
2026-05-19  1:27 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] Introducing pw_lock() and per-cpu queue & flush work Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 10:08   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-12 20:49     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 13:48   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-05-20 14:47     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-12 21:17       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-12 21:17     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 22:06   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-07-12 21:23     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-05-26 19:15   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-12 21:32     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-05-19  1:27 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] mm/swap: move bh draining into a separate workqueue Leonardo Bras
2026-05-19  1:27 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] swap: apply new pw_queue_on() interface Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 15:07   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-12 21:43     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13  7:31       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-13 21:28         ` Leonardo Bras [this message]
2026-05-19  1:27 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] slub: " Leonardo Bras
2026-05-20 14:53   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-12 22:35     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13  7:36       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-13 10:55         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-13 21:44           ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13 21:40         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14  9:47           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-05-19  6:58 ` [syzbot ci] Re: Introduce Per-CPU Work helpers (was QPW) syzbot ci
2026-05-20 13:09 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-12 20:32   ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13  8:07     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-07-13 21:17       ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 10:12         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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