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From: "Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>
To: Nicolas Schier <nsc@kernel.org>
Cc: "Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"Julian Braha" <julianbraha@gmail.com>,
	"Clark Williams" <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"John Ogness" <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	"Derek Barbosa" <debarbos@redhat.com>,
	"Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" <zbyszek@amutable.com>,
	"Daan De Meyer" <daan.j.demeyer@gmail.com>,
	"Luca Boccassi" <luca.boccassi@gmail.com>,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, debian-kernel@lists.debian.org,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 04/10] kconfig: Introduce checkconfig target
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2026 12:32:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avWj0PDoPWu2IkgD@lx-t490> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avQNfFbeoMImmtre@derry.ads.avm.de>

Hi Nicolas,

On Wed, 11 Nov 2026, Nicolas Schier wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2026 at 02:18:49PM +0100, Ahmed S. Darwish wrote:
> >
> > This is why one of the development rules at the top of the Python script,
> > at patch 03/10, is:
> >
> >   The tool must not depend on being run inside the kernel source tree.
> >   This simplifies invocation, testing and possible future packaging.
>
> Then, please move the argument checking from Makefile to the script
> itself.  Handling wrong arguments is good native feature for the script.
>

The script does its own argument checking, all through Python's native
argparse mechanism:

    $ ./tools/kconfig-checker/check.py check -h
    usage: check.py check [-h] -c KCONFIG_FILE -r RULES [-o OVERLAY_FILE]

    options:
      -h, --help            show this help message and exit
      -c, --config KCONFIG_FILE
                            .config file to be checked
      -r, --rules RULES     rules file to check against
      -o, --overlay OVERLAY_FILE
                            file overlay over picked rules

    $ ./tools/kconfig-checker/check.py check -r safety

    usage: check.py check [-h] -c KCONFIG_FILE -r RULES [-o OVERLAY_FILE]

    check.py check: error: argument -r/--rules: invalid choice: 'safety'
    (choose from 'preempt_rt')

And that's by design, as an independent tool that can be later packaged.

Regarding the Makefile's own error handling, I'll touch upon that below.

> As far as I have seen when skimming through the kconfig policy checker
> code, it does not use any Kbuild variables.  So, if it is being placed
> below tools/ and does not use Kbuild at all, and is expected to be run
> w/o Linux tree context at all: why do we need an additional top-level
> Makefile target for it at all (alongside of
> 'make tools/kconfig-policy-checker')?

The reason is the expected kernel configuration workflow, e.g.:

    $ make defconfig			# Generate a default .config
    $ make debug.config			# Add debug options to it
    $ make menuconfig			# Manually customize it

    $ make RULES=preempt_rt checkconfig	# Validate it
    $ make menuconfig			# Follow checkconfig advice
    $ make RULES=preempt_rt checkconfig	# Try again..

and so on.

So the "checkconfig" target fits that workflow, even when the checker
itself does not depend on any Kbuild internals.

The Makefile-side validation is also there to improve error handling for
that workflow:

    $ make checkconfig

    Usage: make RULES=<profile> [OVERLAY=<overlay>] checkconfig
    Available RULES: preempt_rt

    make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/Makefile:138: checkconfig] Error 2

Without it, the user just sees the lower-level script errors:

    $ make checkconfig

    usage: check.py check [-h] -c KCONFIG_FILE -r RULES [-o OVERLAY_FILE]
    check.py check: error: argument -r/--rules: invalid choice: '' (choose from 'preempt_rt')

Both error messages are correct, but the former informs the user, exactly,
on how to call the Makefile target.  This matches the aforementioned kernel
configuration workflow as well.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Thank you!

--
Ahmed S. Darwish
Linutronix GmbH

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-12 11:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-06  9:19 [PATCH v1 00/10] tools: Introduce a kernel configuration checker Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 01/10] kconfig-checker: Add schema for rule files Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-08 18:59   ` Julian Braha
2026-11-09 12:40     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 02/10] kconfig-checker: Introduce PREEMPT_RT configuration rules Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 18:09     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 03/10] kconfig-checker: Add the configuration checker code Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 19:29     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-08 18:59   ` Julian Braha
2026-11-09 13:00     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 04/10] kconfig: Introduce checkconfig target Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 20:07     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-12 15:53       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-08 18:59   ` Julian Braha
2026-11-09  0:39     ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-11-09 13:18       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-11  6:38         ` Nicolas Schier
2026-11-12 11:32           ` Ahmed S. Darwish [this message]
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 05/10] Documentation: Describe kconfig-checker usage and design Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 06/10] kconfig-checker: Split schema to support component reuse Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 18:22     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 07/10] kconfig-checker: Introduce overlays schema Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 16:47     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 08/10] kconfig-checker: Add support for rule overlays Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 09/10] Documentation: Describe kconfig-checker overlays Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-07  9:20   ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-09 16:50     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-06  9:19 ` [PATCH v1 10/10] kconfig: Introduce OVERLAY= for make checkconfig Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-11  6:38   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-11-12 11:45     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-08 18:59 ` [PATCH v1 00/10] tools: Introduce a kernel configuration checker Julian Braha
2026-11-09  0:37   ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-11-09 16:15     ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-09 16:52       ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-11-09 17:04         ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-09 15:49   ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-10 18:18     ` Julian Braha
2026-11-10 20:33       ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-11  6:38 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-11-12 12:36   ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-11-12 17:50     ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-11-12 19:14       ` Ahmed S. Darwish

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