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From: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
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	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	Caleb Sander Mateos <csander@purestorage.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	Julia Lawall <Julia.Lawall@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] sched/core: Prevent wakeup of ksoftirqd during idle load balance
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:12:02 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b311ff68-4571-cbfc-a4f0-bcfeade54836@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241108121748.tGlosO1b@linutronix.de>

Hello Sebastian,

On 11/8/2024 5:47 PM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2024-10-30 07:15:57 [+0000], K Prateek Nayak wrote:
>> Scheduler raises a SCHED_SOFTIRQ to trigger a load balancing event on
>> from the IPI handler on the idle CPU. Since the softirq can be raised
>> from flush_smp_call_function_queue(), it can end up waking up ksoftirqd,
>> which can give an illusion of the idle CPU being busy when doing an idle
>> load balancing.
>>
>> Adding a trace_printk() in nohz_csd_func() at the spot of raising
>> SCHED_SOFTIRQ and enabling trace events for sched_switch, sched_wakeup,
>> and softirq_entry (for SCHED_SOFTIRQ vector alone) helps observing the
>> current behavior:
>>
>>         <idle>-0   [000] dN.1.:  nohz_csd_func: Raising SCHED_SOFTIRQ from nohz_csd_func
>>         <idle>-0   [000] dN.4.:  sched_wakeup: comm=ksoftirqd/0 pid=16 prio=120 target_cpu=000
>>         <idle>-0   [000] .Ns1.:  softirq_entry: vec=7 [action=SCHED]
>>         <idle>-0   [000] .Ns1.:  softirq_exit: vec=7  [action=SCHED]
>>         <idle>-0   [000] d..2.:  sched_switch: prev_comm=swapper/0 prev_pid=0 prev_prio=120 prev_state=R ==> next_comm=ksoftirqd/0 next_pid=16 next_prio=120
>>    ksoftirqd/0-16  [000] d..2.:  sched_switch: prev_comm=ksoftirqd/0 prev_pid=16 prev_prio=120 prev_state=S ==> next_comm=swapper/0 next_pid=0 next_prio=120
>>         ...
>>
>> ksoftirqd is woken up before the idle thread calls
>> do_softirq_post_smp_call_flush() which can make the runqueue appear
>> busy and prevent the idle load balancer from pulling task from an
>> overloaded runqueue towards itself[1].
>>
>> Since the softirq raised is guranteed to be serviced in irq_exit() or
>> via do_softirq_post_smp_call_flush(), set SCHED_SOFTIRQ without checking
>> the need to wakeup ksoftirq for idle load balancing.
>>
>> Following are the observations with the changes when enabling the same
>> set of events:
>>
>>         <idle>-0       [000] dN.1.: nohz_csd_func: Raising SCHED_SOFTIRQ for nohz_idle_balance
>>         <idle>-0       [000] dN.1.: softirq_raise: vec=7 [action=SCHED]
>>         <idle>-0       [000] .Ns1.: softirq_entry: vec=7 [action=SCHED]
>>
>> No unnecessary ksoftirqd wakeups are seen from idle task's context to
>> service the softirq.
> 
> | Use __raise_softirq_irqoff() to raise the softirq. The SMP function call
> | is always invoked on the requested CPU in an interrupt handler. It is
> | guaranteed that soft interrupts are handled at the end.
> 
> You could extend it
> 
> | If the SMP function is invoked from an idle CPU via
> | flush_smp_call_function_queue() then the HARD-IRQ flag is not set and
> | raise_softirq_irqoff() wakes needlessly ksoftirqd because soft
> | interrupts are handled before ksoftirqd get on the CPU.

I'll reword the log as suggested in the next version.

> 
> This on its own is a reasonable optimisation. A different question would
> be if flush_smp_call_function_queue() should pretend to be in-IRQ like a
> regular IPI but…

I thought about it initially but seeing optimizations and checks around
"hardirq_stack" and checks to reuse it in certain context led be to
believe that there may be more nuances that I do not have a full picture
of, and I went ahead with this simpler solution.

> 
> Reviewed-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>

Thank you for the review!

> 
>> Fixes: b2a02fc43a1f ("smp: Optimize send_call_function_single_ipi()")
>> Reported-by: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>
>> Closes: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/fcf823f-195e-6c9a-eac3-25f870cb35ac@inria.fr/ [1]
>> Suggested-by: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
>> Signed-off-by: K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
>> ---
>> v3..v4:
>>
>> o New patch based on Sebastian's suggestion.
>> ---
>>   kernel/sched/core.c | 13 ++++++++++++-
>>   1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/core.c b/kernel/sched/core.c
>> index aaf99c0bcb49..2ee3621d6e7e 100644
>> --- a/kernel/sched/core.c
>> +++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
>> @@ -1244,7 +1244,18 @@ static void nohz_csd_func(void *info)
>>   	rq->idle_balance = idle_cpu(cpu);
>>   	if (rq->idle_balance) {
>>   		rq->nohz_idle_balance = flags;
>> -		raise_softirq_irqoff(SCHED_SOFTIRQ);
>> +
>> +		/*
>> +		 * Don't wakeup ksoftirqd when raising SCHED_SOFTIRQ
>> +		 * since the idle load balancer may mistake wakeup of
>> +		 * ksoftirqd as a genuine task wakeup and bail out from
>> +		 * load balancing early. Since it is guaranteed that
>> +		 * pending softirqs will be handled soon, either on
>> +		 * irq_exit() or via do_softirq_post_smp_call_flush(),
>> +		 * raise SCHED_SOFTIRQ without checking the need to
>> +		 * wakeup ksoftirqd.
>> +		 */
> 
> /*
>   * This is always invoked from an interrupt handler, simply raise the
>   * softirq.
>   */
> 
> should be enough IMHO. But *I* would even skip that, since it is
> obvious.

I'll remove it in the subsequent version. I'll wait a bit before sending
it to see if folks have any suggestion on the parallel thread regarding
handling SCHED_SOFTIRQ from ksoftirqd.

> 
>> +		__raise_softirq_irqoff(SCHED_SOFTIRQ);
>>   	}
>>   }
> 
> Sebastian

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
Prateek

      reply	other threads:[~2024-11-11  4:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-30  7:15 [PATCH v4 0/3] [PATCH v3 0/5] Idle Load Balance fixes and softirq enhancements K Prateek Nayak
2024-10-30  7:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] softirq: Allow raising SCHED_SOFTIRQ from SMP-call-function on RT kernel K Prateek Nayak
2024-11-08 12:25   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-30  7:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] sched/core: Remove the unnecessary need_resched() check in nohz_csd_func() K Prateek Nayak
2024-10-30  7:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] sched/core: Prevent wakeup of ksoftirqd during idle load balance K Prateek Nayak
2024-11-08 12:17   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-11-11  4:42     ` K Prateek Nayak [this message]

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