From: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: raz ben yehuda <raziebe@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
riel@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu,
andrew motron <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
wiseman@macs.biu.ac.il, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:45:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1251297910.1791.22.camel@maxim-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0908260943090.9924@gentwo.org>
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 09:47 -0400, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, raz ben yehuda wrote:
>
> > How will the kernel is going to handle 32 processors machines ? These
> > numbers are no longer a science-fiction.
>
> The kernel is already running on 4096 processor machines. Dont worry about
> that.
>
> > What i am suggesting is merely a different approach of how to handle
> > multiple core systems. instead of thinking in processes, threads and so
> > on i am thinking in services. Why not take a processor and define this
> > processor to do just firewalling ? encryption ? routing ? transmission ?
> > video processing... and so on...
>
> I think that is a valuable avenue to explore. What we do so far is
> treating each processor equally. Dedicating a processor has benefits in
> terms of cache hotness and limits OS noise.
>
> Most of the large processor configurations already partition the system
> using cpusets in order to limit the disturbance by OS processing. A set of
> cpus is used for OS activities and system daemons are put into that set.
> But what can be done is limited because the OS threads as well as
> interrupt and timer processing etc cannot currently be moved. The ideas
> that you are proposing are particularly usedful for applications that
> require low latencies and cannot tolerate OS noise easily (Infiniband MPI
> base jobs f.e.)
My 0.2 cents:
I have always been fascinated by the idea of controlling another cpu
from the main CPU.
Usually these cpus are custom, run proprietary software, and have no
datasheet on their I/O interfaces.
But, being able to turn an ordinary CPU into something like that seems
to be very nice.
For example, It might help with profiling. Think about a program that
can run uninterrupted how much it wants.
I might even be better, if the dedicated CPU would use a predefined
reserved memory range (I wish there was a way to actually lock it to
that range)
On the other hand, I could see this as a jump platform for more
proprietary code, something like that: we use linux in out server
platform, but out "insert buzzword here" network stack pro+ can handle
100% more load that linux does, and it runs on a dedicated core....
In the other words, we might see 'firmwares' that take an entire cpu for
their usage.
>
>
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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1250983671.5688.21.camel@raz>
[not found] ` <1251004897.7043.70.camel@marge.simson.net>
2009-08-23 9:09 ` RFC: THE OFFLINE SCHEDULER raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23 7:30 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-23 11:05 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-23 9:52 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 15:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 17:56 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-25 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 18:12 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <5d96567b0908251522m3fd4ab98n76a52a34a11e874c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-08-25 22:32 ` Fwd: " Raz
2009-08-25 19:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-25 19:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-25 19:22 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-25 20:35 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-08-26 5:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 10:29 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 8:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 8:16 ` Raz
2009-08-26 13:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 14:45 ` Maxim Levitsky [this message]
2009-08-26 14:54 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 15:11 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 15:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 15:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 16:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-26 16:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-26 16:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 18:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 19:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 19:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 20:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 20:50 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-26 21:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:15 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-26 21:37 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 16:51 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-27 17:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-27 22:22 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 2:15 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 3:33 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 4:27 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-28 10:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 18:57 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 19:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 19:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 20:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 20:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-31 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 17:44 ` Roland Dreier
2009-09-01 18:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-01 16:15 ` Roland Dreier
2009-08-29 17:03 ` jim owens
2009-08-31 19:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-31 15:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-01 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-28 6:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-27 23:51 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 0:44 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 21:20 ` Chris Friesen
2009-08-28 18:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-27 21:33 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 22:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 8:38 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-28 10:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-08-28 13:25 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-28 13:37 ` jim owens
2009-08-28 15:22 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-27 2:55 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2009-08-26 21:34 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-26 21:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-26 21:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-08-26 21:32 ` raz ben yehuda
2009-08-27 7:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-08-26 15:37 ` Chetan.Loke
2009-08-26 15:21 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-08-25 21:09 ` Éric Piel
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