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From: Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>
Cc: Noah Watkins <jayhawk@soe.ucsc.edu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
	Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
	Linux RT <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
	"James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
	KUSP Google Group <kusp@googlegroups.com>,
	Tommaso Cucinotta <cucinotta@sssup.it>,
	Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:26:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090716212603.GB27757@cs.fsu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A5F448C.2050909@nortel.com>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:17:32AM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:

> If a high-priority task A makes a syscall that requires a lock currently
> held by a sleeping low-priority task C, and there is a medium priority B
> task that wants to run, the classic scenario for priority inversion has
> been achieved.

I think you don't really mean "sleeping" low-priority task C,
since then the priority inheritance would do no good.  I guess you
mean that C has been/is preempted by B (and for global SMP, there
is some other medicum priority task B' that is eligible to run on
A's processor).  That could be a priority inversion scenario.

BTW, if migration is allowed the probability of this kind of thing
(and hence the payoff for PIP) goes down rapidly with the number
of processors.

> I know of at least one example with millions of lines of code being
> ported to linux from another OS.  The scheduling requirements are fairly
> lax but deadlock due to priority inversion is a highly likely.  They
> compare PI and PP, see that PP requires up-front analysis, so they
> enable PI.
> 
> I suspect there are other similar cases where deadlock is the real
> issue, and hard realtime isn't a concern (but low latency may be
> desirable).  PI is simple to enable and doesn't require any thought on
> the part of the app writer.

I'm confused by your reference to deadlock.  Priority inheritance
does not prevent deadlock, even on a single processor.

> At least for POSIX, both PI and PP mutexes can suspend while the lock is
> held.  From the user's point of view, the only difference between the
> two is that PP bumps the lock holder's priority always, while PI bumps
> the priority only if/when necessary.

You are right that POSIX missed the point of priority ceilings,
by allowing suspension.

However, there is still a difference in context-switching
overhead.  Worst-case, you have twice as many context switches
per critical section with PIP as with PP.

In any case, for a multiprocessor, PP is not enough.  

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12  2:40   ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44       ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47           ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 11:56               ` Luca Abeni
2009-07-14 18:19               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48             ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 15:19               ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28                     ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  7:40                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37                           ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15  4:25                     ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39                           ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16                             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  8:58                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  9:11                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-17  0:32                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  0:43                                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17                               ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29                       ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12                         ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16                   ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48               ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14                   ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:17                     ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 23:13                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  0:19                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-17  7:31                         ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46                     ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07                         ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45               ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12                 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52                   ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35             ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14           ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13             ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45               ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16                 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11                 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16  7:58                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16  8:52                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17                     ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59                       ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15                     ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34                       ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17  1:44                           ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17                   ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26                     ` Ted Baker [this message]
2009-07-16 22:08                       ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54                         ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14  9:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07               ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47           ` Raistlin
     [not found]     ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47       ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14  7:27         ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14  7:44           ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12  6:17   ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13  9:55   ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06       ` Raistlin
2009-07-14  8:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14  9:36           ` Raistlin

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