From: Ted Baker <baker@cs.fsu.edu>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>
Cc: Noah Watkins <jayhawk@soe.ucsc.edu>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>,
Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@ittc.ku.edu>,
Henrik Austad <henrik@austad.us>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Bill Huey <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>,
Linux RT <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
Fabio Checconi <fabio@gandalf.sssup.it>,
"James H. Anderson" <anderson@cs.unc.edu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
KUSP Google Group <kusp@googlegroups.com>,
Tommaso Cucinotta <cucinotta@sssup.it>,
Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:26:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090716212603.GB27757@cs.fsu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A5F448C.2050909@nortel.com>
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 09:17:32AM -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:
> If a high-priority task A makes a syscall that requires a lock currently
> held by a sleeping low-priority task C, and there is a medium priority B
> task that wants to run, the classic scenario for priority inversion has
> been achieved.
I think you don't really mean "sleeping" low-priority task C,
since then the priority inheritance would do no good. I guess you
mean that C has been/is preempted by B (and for global SMP, there
is some other medicum priority task B' that is eligible to run on
A's processor). That could be a priority inversion scenario.
BTW, if migration is allowed the probability of this kind of thing
(and hence the payoff for PIP) goes down rapidly with the number
of processors.
> I know of at least one example with millions of lines of code being
> ported to linux from another OS. The scheduling requirements are fairly
> lax but deadlock due to priority inversion is a highly likely. They
> compare PI and PP, see that PP requires up-front analysis, so they
> enable PI.
>
> I suspect there are other similar cases where deadlock is the real
> issue, and hard realtime isn't a concern (but low latency may be
> desirable). PI is simple to enable and doesn't require any thought on
> the part of the app writer.
I'm confused by your reference to deadlock. Priority inheritance
does not prevent deadlock, even on a single processor.
> At least for POSIX, both PI and PP mutexes can suspend while the lock is
> held. From the user's point of view, the only difference between the
> two is that PP bumps the lock holder's priority always, while PI bumps
> the priority only if/when necessary.
You are right that POSIX missed the point of priority ceilings,
by allowing suspension.
However, there is still a difference in context-switching
overhead. Worst-case, you have twice as many context switches
per critical section with PIP as with PP.
In any case, for a multiprocessor, PP is not enough.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-16 21:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-10 21:50 RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel Henrik Austad
2009-07-11 18:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-12 2:40 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 15:44 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 16:33 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 10:47 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 11:56 ` Luca Abeni
2009-07-14 18:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 14:48 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 15:19 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 16:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 16:54 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-14 19:28 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-14 19:33 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 7:40 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-17 13:37 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 4:25 ` Bjoern B. Brandenburg
2009-07-15 20:55 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 21:53 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:39 ` Dhaval Giani
2009-07-15 23:16 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 9:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-17 0:32 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 0:43 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 23:29 ` Raistlin
2009-07-18 20:12 ` Michal Sojka
2009-07-14 17:16 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-15 21:19 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 19:54 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 16:48 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 18:24 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 19:14 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 22:14 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 23:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 0:19 ` Raistlin
2009-07-17 7:31 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-16 14:46 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 23:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 21:45 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-15 22:12 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-15 22:52 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 13:35 ` Giuseppe Lipari
2009-07-13 17:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 18:14 ` Noah Watkins
2009-07-13 20:13 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-13 21:45 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 11:16 ` Raistlin
2009-07-15 23:11 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 7:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 8:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-07-16 12:17 ` Raistlin
2009-07-16 12:59 ` James H. Anderson
2009-07-16 13:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-16 22:15 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-16 22:34 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 23:38 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-17 1:44 ` Karthik Singaram Lakshmanan
2009-07-16 15:17 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 21:26 ` Ted Baker [this message]
2009-07-16 22:08 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-16 23:54 ` Ted Baker
2009-07-14 9:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:07 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 19:47 ` Raistlin
[not found] ` <002301ca0403$47f9d9d0$d7ed8d70$@tlh@comcast.net>
2009-07-13 23:47 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-14 7:27 ` Chris Friesen
2009-07-14 7:44 ` Douglas Niehaus
2009-07-12 6:17 ` Henrik Austad
2009-07-13 9:55 ` Raistlin
2009-07-13 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-13 16:06 ` Raistlin
2009-07-14 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-14 9:36 ` Raistlin
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