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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>,
	linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: locking changes in tty broke low latency feature
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:17:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140219191717.486ac4d0@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5304EC33.5040502@hurleysoftware.com>

> How can the requirement be for both must-handle-in-minimum-time data
> (low_latency) and the-userspace-reader-isn't-reading-fast-enough-
> so-its-ok-to-halt-transmission ?

Because low latency is about *turn around* time. There are plenty of
protocols that can flow control, do flow control and want low latency
because they are not windowed. It's not mutually exclusive by any means.

> But first I'd like some hard data on whether or not a low latency
> mode is even necessary (at least for user-space).

The easy way to simulate the annoying as crap worst cases from dumbass
firmware downloaders and the like is to set up a link between two PCs and
time 2000+ repetitions of

send 64 bytes
wait for a Y
send 64 bytes
wait for a Y
....

and the matching far end being a box running an existing kernel or a PIC
or something doing the responses.

Historically we used to lose about 20mS per cycle which over 2000 got to
be a bit of a PITA.

Low latency goes back to the days of flip buffers, bottom halves an a
100Hz clock. There are certainly better ways to do it now if its needed.

Alan


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-02-19 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-18  9:38 locking changes in tty broke low latency feature Stanislaw Gruszka
2014-02-18  9:57 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-18 22:12 ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-19 13:03   ` Stanislaw Gruszka
2014-02-19 16:55     ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-19 17:38       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-19 18:12         ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-19 18:42           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-19 19:17         ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2014-02-19 20:22           ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-19 21:42             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-20  2:19               ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 15:39                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-21 15:58                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-21 16:31                     ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-19 23:06     ` Hal Murray
2014-02-19 23:35       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-20  2:55       ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-20  4:16         ` Greg KH
2014-02-20 18:16         ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-20 19:33           ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-20 22:06             ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-23 22:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-02-24  0:23             ` Peter Hurley
2014-02-24 13:23             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-02-24 15:44             ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-20 21:55         ` Hal Murray
2014-02-20 22:14           ` Grant Edwards
2014-02-21 15:43             ` One Thousand Gnomes

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