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From: "Brad Mouring" <bmouring@ni.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Brad Mouring <bmouring@ni.com>,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] rtmutex: Handle when top lock owner changes
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:38:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140604143830.GA3393@linuxgetsreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604101612.0d47b399@gandalf.local.home>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 10:16:12AM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:05:25 -0500
> "Brad Mouring" <bmouring@ni.com> wrote:
> 
>  >          A->L2
> > 
> > This is a slight variation on what I was seeing. To use the nomenclature
> > that you proposed at the start, rewinding to the point
> > 
> >    A->L2->B->L3->C->L4->D
> > 
> > Let's assume things continue to unfold as you explain. Task is D,
> > top_waiter is C. A is scheduled out and the chain shuffles.
> > 
> >        A->L2->B
> > C->L4->D->'
> 
> But isn't that a lock ordering problem there?
> 
> If B can block on L3 owned by C, I see the following:
> 
>   B->L3->C->L4->D->L2->B
> 
> Deadlock!
Yes, it could be. But currently no one owns L3. B is currently not
blocked. Under these circumstances, there is no deadlock. Also, I
somewhat arbitrarily picked L4, it could be Lfoo that C blocks on
since the process is
...
waiter = D->pi_blocked_on

// waiter is real_waiter D->L2

// orig_waiter still there, orig_lock still has an owner

// top_waiter was pointing to C->L4, now points to C->Lfoo
// D does have top_waiters, and, as noted above, it aliased
// to encompass a different waiter scenario

> 
> In my scenario I was very careful to point out that the lock ordering
> was: L1->L2->L3->L4
> 
> But you show that we can have both:
> 
>    L2-> ... ->L4
> 
>     and
> 
>    L4-> ... ->L2
> 
> Which is a reverse of lock ordering and a possible deadlock can occur.

So the numbering/ordering of the locks is really somewhat arbitrary.
Here we *can* have L2-> ... ->L4 (if B decides to block on L2, it
could just as easily block on L8), and we absolutely have
L4-> ... ->L2. A deadlock *could* occur, but all of the traces that
I dug through, no actual deadlocks occurred.
> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 
> > 
> > So, we now have D blocking on L2 and L4 has waiters, C again. Also,
> > since the codepath to have C block on L4 again is the same as the
> > codepath from when it blocked on it in the first place, the location
> > is the same since the stack (for what we care about) is the same.
> > 
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-04 14:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 14:30 [PATCH 0/1] Faux deadlock detection fixup Brad Mouring
2014-05-23 14:30 ` [PATCH 1/1] rtmutex: Handle when top lock owner changes Brad Mouring
2014-06-04  1:06   ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-04 13:05     ` Brad Mouring
2014-06-04 14:16       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-04 14:38         ` Brad Mouring [this message]
2014-06-04 14:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-04 15:11             ` Brad Mouring
2014-06-04 15:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-04 15:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-04 18:02         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-04 18:12           ` Steven Rostedt
2014-06-04 20:49             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-04 19:25           ` Brad Mouring
2014-06-04 19:53             ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-04 20:07               ` Brad Mouring
2014-06-04 20:41                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-04 22:22                   ` [PATCH] " Brad Mouring
2014-06-04 23:03                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-06  3:19       ` [PATCH 1/1] " Steven Rostedt
2014-06-06  5:40         ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-06  5:44           ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-06-06  8:53           ` Steven Rostedt

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