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From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT RFC PULL rcu/urgent] Prevent Kconfig from asking pointless questions
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:35:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150420113554.598e503f@sluggy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150419020541.GA5561@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

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On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:05:42 -0700
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > > 	Real-time priority to use for RCU worker threads (RCU_KTHREAD_PRIO) [0] (NEW) 
> > > 
> > > Indeed, Linus complained about this one.  ;-)
> > 
> > :-) Yes, it's an essentially unanswerable question.
> > 
> > > This Kconfig parameter is a stopgap, and needs a real solution.  
> > > People with crazy-heavy workloads involving realtime cannot live 
> > > without it, but that means that most people don't have to care.  I 
> > > have had solving this on my list, and this clearly increases its 
> > > priority.
> > 
> > So what value do they use, prio 99? 98? It might be better to offer 
> > this option as a binary choice, and set a given priority. If -rt 
> > people complain then they might help us in solving it properly.
> 
> I honestly do not remember what priority they were using, it is
> not in email, and I don't keep IRC logs that far back.  Adding
> linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org on CC.

As I recall, we started out using fifo:1, but when you get heavy
workloads running at higher fifo priorities, we wanted to boost the rcu
worker threads over those workloads. 

Currently the irq threads default to fifo:50, so maybe a good
default choice for the rcu threads on RT is fifo:49. That of course
presumes rational behavior on the part of application developers. 

I seem to recall that you and I had a discussion about making this
value a runtime knob in /sys but that didn't go anywhere. Do we need to
crank that up again and just use the config as a default/starting
value? If so then we could just default to fifo:1 and let sysadmins
tweak the value to match up with the workload. 

Clark

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-20 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150416183812.GA5571@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <20150418130340.GA26931@gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <20150418133444.GD23685@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]     ` <20150418143238.GA2337@gmail.com>
2015-04-19  2:05       ` [GIT RFC PULL rcu/urgent] Prevent Kconfig from asking pointless questions Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 16:35         ` Clark Williams [this message]
2015-04-20 17:09           ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 17:59             ` Clark Williams
2015-04-20 18:20               ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2015-04-20 18:01             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 18:09               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20 18:21                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 18:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-20 18:34                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21  6:42                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-21 13:18                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21  3:37                   ` Mike Galbraith
2015-04-20 20:40             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-20 21:15               ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-20 21:50                 ` Clark Williams
2015-04-21  1:22                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 13:12                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 15:01                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2015-04-21 15:50                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-04-21 15:54                           ` Paul E. McKenney

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