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From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 12:22:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161107122221.299d026a@tagon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa5b1b55d8934c6a0e02e04a7ad6afdf4012c2e0.1478506194.git.bristot@redhat.com>

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On Mon,  7 Nov 2016 09:17:55 +0100
Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com> wrote:

> The rt throttling mechanism prevents the starvation of non-real-time
> tasks by CPU intensive real-time tasks. In terms of percentage,
> the default behavior allows real-time tasks to run up to 95% of a
> given period, leaving the other 5% of the period for non-real-time
> tasks. In the absence of non-rt tasks, the system goes idle for 5%
> of the period.
> 
> Although this behavior works fine for the purpose of avoiding
> bad real-time tasks that can hang the system, some greed users
> want to allow the real-time task to continue running in the absence
> of non-real-time tasks starving. In other words, they do not want to
> see the system going idle.
> 
> This patch implements the RT_RUNTIME_GREED scheduler feature for greedy
> users (TM). When enabled, this feature will check if non-rt tasks are
> starving before throttling the real-time task. If the real-time task
> becomes throttled, it will be unthrottled as soon as the system goes
> idle, or when the next period starts, whichever comes first.
> 
> This feature is enabled with the following command:
>   # echo RT_RUNTIME_GREED > /sys/kernel/debug/sched_features
> 

I'm still reviewing the patch, but I have to wonder why bother with making it a scheduler feature?

The SCHED_FIFO definition allows a fifo thread to starve others because a fifo task will run until it yields. Throttling was added as a safety valve to allow starved SCHED_OTHER tasks to get some cpu time.  Adding this unconditionally gets us a safety valve for throttling a badly written fifo task, but allows the fifo task to continue to consume cpu cycles if it's not starving anyone. 

Or am I missing something that's blazingly obvious?

Clark

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-07 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-07  8:17 [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 10:31 ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2016-11-07 13:51   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 18:03     ` Tommaso Cucinotta
2016-11-07 18:06       ` Luca Abeni
2016-11-08  7:55     ` luca abeni
2016-11-08 10:30     ` Juri Lelli
2016-11-07 16:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2016-11-07 18:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 18:49     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 19:16       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 19:30     ` Christoph Lameter
2016-11-07 19:47       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 19:54         ` Christoph Lameter
2016-11-07 20:00           ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 20:06             ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 20:16               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 20:33                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 20:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-08  9:22                     ` [PATCH] sched/rt: Change default setup for RT THROTTLING Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-08 23:42                 ` [PATCH] sched/rt: RT_RUNTIME_GREED sched feature Christoph Lameter
2016-11-07 18:22 ` Clark Williams [this message]
2016-11-07 18:30   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-07 18:38     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-07 18:39     ` Clark Williams
2016-11-08 11:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-08 14:07   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-08 16:51     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-08 17:17       ` Steven Rostedt
2016-11-08 18:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-08 19:29           ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2016-11-08 19:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-09 13:33               ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
     [not found]                 ` <CAA7rmPF0nQb9721MQWurRCy7E3X46hAy2qV=joK=z5U-t70NOg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-11-11 18:46                   ` Christoph Lameter
2016-11-11 22:53                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-13 18:53                       ` Christoph Lameter
2016-11-14  9:20                         ` Peter Zijlstra

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